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Finished: 05 PM Wed 02 Oct 19 UTC
Public Messaging Only (Have Fun!)
16 hours /phase
Pot: 70 D - Spring, 1907, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @Russia: Your fleets in the north are a direct threat to me. Instead of building and moving to take Berlin, you built and moved to attack me. Can't I move away from the Norwegian Sea? Really? If you get into Norwegian Sea, you can get into NAO and break into my undefended England. Your only risk ever was that I get all the way around to StP and if you actually took some SCs (like Kiel and/or Berlin) and built some units, that wouldn't be a problem for you either. I just hope Germany takes Denmark from you to punish you for this lunacy.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @France: a 4-way draw is my objective. I do not think Russia's demands are out of line. I would rather do a 5-way than a solo. I think you need to make your deal with Russia. I made a deal with you and I'm honoring it. There are more players here though, so you'll have to negotiate with them too.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @Russia: You can easily cement your position as second-largest power in the game and control how it ends. If you want to sit and help Germany instead, there's not much I can do but be bored by your inaction.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @Italy: There's the frustrating part. If you and Russia acted to maximise your position, instead of this half-hearted paranoia, the three of us together don't need anyone else at all. Turkey and Germany are almost dead and Austria has no fleets. We don't need to negotiate with anyone else!
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @Russia, sorry I didn't see your message about support to the North Sea in time.

As soon as you have another fleet in position to bump Norwegian Sea, we can take the North Sea.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Austria has the power to throw the game. With your fleets in standby it's really a no-brainer. This needs to be a 4-way draw.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: 5-way draw or I throw to France.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Sorry Russia, but Italy keeps talking about killing me. If he gets his way and convinces you, then I will try and help France solo in exchange for him keeping me alive in case he falls short and there is a draw.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @Germany: you can't really throw to France at this point. Our units are already in position to defend the south. That being said, I already said this is Russia's decision. I will not interfere and have already withdrawn myself from that conflict.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: France doesn't need the south, just Tunis, Germany and Scandinavia. As long as he takes Germany last and keeps me alive until then, I'll give him whatever he wants in Scandinavia if its the only option that keeps me alive longer.

5-Way draw or I help France solo.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: My vote is in for as soon as Turkey is gone. Let's not drag this out longer than necessary.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: I don't see how France gets Tunis though. 4 fleets (we have 3 now but either me or austria will get one out of turkey depending on how turkey defends the last SC) and 2 armies is enough to stalemate France in the south and prevent him from getting tunis. From my point of view you have no power left to throw the game. You can help France wipe Russia in the north, but France can't get past St Pete anyway when russia sets up a defensive line.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Russia, Austria and me can realistically throw the game since we all hold SCs crucial to the stalemate line. You do not at this point sadly. But like I said, I'm not planning on interfering. If Russia thinks we should include you in the draw I'm happy to do so.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @Italy I plan on building a fleet to get us up to the 4 needed for a stalemate in the South, unless you have an objection
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: I guess technically you only need three, but that’d leave you with a pretty useless army stuck in Tunis.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Yeah, it's better with 4 fleets. Rome Tyrr Tunis and Ionian, with armies in Tus and Pie.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: could be naples instead of rome too
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: I am comfortable with a four way draw.
If that's what you all want.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @Russia: What's with "I don't know if France wants to hold line or attack me."? I have two fleets defending from you. One support from Sweden of Norway holds them the only attack they could make on you. I don't remember seeing a more vacuous excuse for an attack. However, because half the units are armies, you can't overpower me there, but you could just help wipe out Germany instead of just wasting time.
27 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Britain played this game worse than anyone I’ve ever seen. He achieved three things: he slowed my game to a crawl, he gave France a game-defining boost, and then he died. He didn’t even talk.

I really wanted to survive this game just to spite him.
27 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: @france, already told you I don't have problem with number of fleets, but the location of fleets. You can have the same set of supports from Edinburgh as well. And, I attacked because you didn't confirm your stance.
27 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: With Russia pushing all his forces to attack me and leaving no defence, who knows what might happen? Austria could eviscerate him. Russia has no way to prevent losing War, Mos and Sev. After that, a 3-way draw would be easy.
27 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: @Russia, that's just garbage and you know it. If I let you sit in Norwegian Sea, I need units in Edi and Clyde and NAO to stop your attacks. You have attacked me for no reason when I am no threat.
27 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: You are no threat? We are only discussing you for the past 3-4 moves!

I am just saying, I you want a 4 way draw I am in, but spreading things like eliminating me shouldn't be the right way to gor for it.
27 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: @Russia, taking Berlin makes you stronger and brings the game closer to an end. Attacking me doesn't make you stronger and extends the game. The only logical conclusion is that you want to waste time and be weak. Austria is in the best position to really take advantage of that and make sure it's a long time in which you die.
27 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Yes, you have been discussing me for the last 3-4 turns, for no obvious reason except that Germany whined a lot and you fell for it.
28 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: @Italy, supporting you into Smyrna
28 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Thanks
29 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: @Italy and Austria, I would suggest we finish off Germany. And later discuss how we are going to progress.5 way draw is any way not feasible.
29 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: @Russia: About time. I can support you into Kiel if you can get Austria to stop blocking me from Munich and then we can just end it.
29 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: sounds good to me
29 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: @France I’d prefer you support Tyrolia-Munich instead
29 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: @Austria, Let's bounce Ionian
29 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: @Italy sure
29 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: @Austria, I am supporting Tyrollia - Munich.

@France, Sure, support Denmark-Kiel and lets end this this turn.
01 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Germany's "5-way draw or I throw to France" never happened. Who's surprised? Anyone? :)
01 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
01 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Lets draw this game after this turn.
I have had enough of global chats.
01 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: :D
01 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: At least whoever just dragged this out by not putting in orders can't do it again.
01 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Yeah.
01 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: It was an empty threat
01 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Sorry about missing orders. Genuine mistake on my part. I've readied up my disbands now.

Making threats was all I could do. I tried to throw to France and couldn't do it. It was a long shot, I know. Oh well. I didn't lose anything I wouldn't have lost anyway.

Good game everyone. Except Britain.
01 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Ancient Memories?
01 Oct 19 UTC vote draw?
01 Oct 19 UTC @Austria can you let me take Ionian now? I may need it if France wants to keep going
01 Oct 19 UTC @Italy sure thing
01 Oct 19 UTC @Russia are you ok with me moving into Galicia to Prudsia to defend Berlin?
01 Oct 19 UTC @Russia are you ok with me moving into Galicia to Prudsia to defend Berlin?
01 Oct 19 UTC Not a terrible result, but I still don't understand the reluctance of Russia and Italy to kill off Austria for the 3-way draw.

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France
Kremmen (3817 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 18 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Russia
Chanakya. (703 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 18 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Italy
yuuki (1724 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 18 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Austria
Acgv (326 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 18 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
England
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Germany
Luke Miller (4629 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Turkey
qrzy (4925 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Civil Disorders
montalvo (100 D (B))Italy (Autumn, 1902) with 4 centres.
eRommel (0 D X)France (Autumn, 1904) with 9 centres.
DollarMenuDino (180 D)Italy (Spring, 1901) with 3 centres.
ダヴィン (0 D X)Turkey (Autumn, 1901) with 5 centres.
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