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Finished: 09 PM Fri 17 Jan 20 UTC
Private ODC 2019 - R2 G8
2 days /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1914, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring, Hidden draw votes, Wait for orders
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
17 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: By local I presume you mean web dip players? I am interested to see which game you were in where a sure win was thrown. I didn't follow the first set that closely but recall seeing that - of course without being involved in the press its hard to tell as a casual observer.

Austria and I are long standing friends for the course of this game only, I have no idea who he is - our alliance is based on in-game tactical, strategic and political reasons (with one eye on qualification of course). Hopefully that addresses your uncast aspersion.

I think everyone knows what I need, but I have been talking to the other players about a mutually acceptable end-game with three of four (out of RAIE - sorry T) saying thats ok. Hopefully we can agree that and move speedily in that direction as I share your sentiment that extending unnecessarily is just a pain.
17 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: Disappointed and surprised to hear another game ended like that. It’s difficult to completely avoid meta bias in these tournaments but I would hope it wouldn’t be derived out of a trivial thing like home site loyalty. I hope that’s not truly the case.
17 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: France, I am on the edge of my seat every single time a phase changes in this game, heart pumping as I click to see if Russia has betrayed me. If he (or she) were someone I knew, then I wouldn't bother with something like supporting Rumania this turn. I'm sorry that you were subject to possibly improper collusion in a previous game, but I assure you that I do not know who Russia is or what site he or she comes from.
18 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: Moderator: (bo_sox48): Paused for 5 days.
18 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: I wonder if these pauses are strategic on someone's part
18 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: Please kill me
18 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: Well its not for want of trying, but I shall redouble my efforts
18 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: The old bore people until they give up strategy. You devious bastards!
19 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: Just to make it clear, in case it wasn't already; I resign from the game with immediate effect.

If the mods wish to find a replacement that is up to them.

My criticism (apart from any metagaming) would be that 'local' players have a different interest from others: if they draw with even a few units I understand their ratings on this site are not adversely affected whereas this consideration is entirely irrelevant to me.

I hope that any future iteration of this tournament will address this disparity of interest.

Yours most sincerely, and with congratulations to Russia and Austria.

19 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: SimonMH,

I am sorry you feel you need to resign. Can I check you have informed the mods?

I do want to address two things, first you say metagaming - I reject the hypothesis that anyone is doing that here. Am I mindful of what I need to qualify? Of course. Am I more likely to help those who have allied me also qualify above those who have worked against me? Yes. But that's about adapting to tournament rules where there can be more than one winner compared to a standalone game. I do not consider that metagaming.

Secondly I have looked at your other semifinal game where you said that "local" players conspired to get each other through. In actual fact of three player sharing the draw one played under the banner of webdip, one under playdip (which I believe is your home site) and the third under reddit. So I fail to see the conspiracy there.

However I do think your point with some players wanting to maintain ranking points whereas some don't is not without merit and does warrant consideration for future tournaments about a level playing field. Surely as one unencumbered but such restraints you had an intrinsic advantage? I doubt however that that has had a material impact on any game really and dealing with individuals different goals and thresholds is simply part of this game we all love.


19 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: Came to similar conclusions, I’m not sure where you felt a homesite collusion occurred but it doesn’t appear to have been in your other semi-final game for reasons Russia outlined. And I do agree on your point about the ratings incentive introducing convolution to different players win conditions but doesn’t sound like that should have effected you personally in a negative manner so confused by that aspect of your protest.

Sorry to hear you had a negative experience.
19 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: I may be the one, or one of them, who you are referring to.

I gave up trying to win a month ago. This tournament is too damn involved. It takes too much energy for me.

I think I will be alive in this one at the end, a minor player. I was in the other too. I could have done better there, but I just didn't have the stamina to care. It is like playing poker for 15 hours straight. After 2 hours I am done. Somehow Round 1 was easy.

If you are referring to me, and I understand the world does not revolve around me, maybe you would like to know my motives for not stabbing Austria.

I could have many times, but as I see it, there is no way I am going to solo this game. I don't play for solos anyway, but an ideal finish is to have me part of a draw, and the guy with the most SCs. That is how it went in Round 1.

But here I don't see it happening, so I am left with 2nd best. If I attacked Austria, then I either have enemies on 2 sides and I am done...that happens...but I certainly end up with a blood feud, where Austria's game might be ruined, but she will make sure mine is ruined worse.

Perhaps I am stupid, as I have been called many times in both of my games, and in one other I am playing currently, but I think the best solution for Italy is to ride with the winning coalition, and win.
19 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: or at least share in the win.
19 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: whether I survive or not really doesn't amount to jack squat for me really. My rating is super low, because I keep playing gunboat, which is a solo game, and I keep getting crushed. I just don't have the bloodlust to win there. But gunboat is intellectually easy so I play.
19 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: Many years later, as he faced the firing squad, Colonel Aureliano Buendía was to remember that distant afternoon when his father took him to discover ice.

At that time Macondo was a village of twenty adobe houses, built on the bank of a river of clear water that ran along a bed of polished stones, which were white and enormous, like prehistoric eggs. The world was so recent that many things lacked names, and in order to indicate them it was necessary to point.

Every year during the month of March a family of ragged gypsies would set up their tents near the village, and with a great uproar of pipes and kettledrums they would display new inventions. First they brought the magnet.
19 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: A heavy gypsy with an untamed beard and sparrow hands, who introduced himself as Melquíades, put on a bold public demonstration of what he himself called the eighth wonder of the learned alchemists of Macedonia.
20 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: I think the only fair thing is to restart the game. Also, I am going to need a 3 week pause.
20 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: I think Germany is right. We need a restart. And a long pause. I agree. This game has been compromised.
20 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: I am realizing that I should have allied with new Turkey and Germany. They are funnest folks in the group.
20 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: Concur, after that post the right thing to do is concede the game to Turkey.

Merry Christmas!
23 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: France, you stated your intention to resign but are still in the game. I am keen to avoid lengthy delays as we get to build and then enter WFO and then try and find a replacement. I realise your message could of course have been some kind of ploy but if not please confirm you have spoken to a mod and/or surrender from the game (if its possible, not sure how but assume it must be - maybe pause needs to be off).
24 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: Moderator: (peterwiggin): Unpaused
24 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: But it’s nearly Christmas...
29 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 1912: Well this is a tad frustrating and directly harming my goal of finishing this tournament before the end of time itself
31 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1912: Happy new year everybody! Just about to begin my evening festivities so probably not that responsive...
31 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1912: Happy New Year.

Let's do 2020 really good.
31 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1912: Happy New Ywar!
31 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1912: Well a typo is a good way to start off 2020. Fortunately I’ve got some hours left before the new year so I can keep that mistake filed under 2019.
01 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Before I get drunk, dance on the bar, lose my phone, get naked, and get arrested please allow me to wish you all a Happy New Year!

“There are far better things ahead than any we leave behind“ – CS Lewis
01 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: GG Turkey, thanks for stepping in at a difficult juncture, it is appreciated.

Hope everyone had a good night!
02 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Good game Turkey!!
02 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: So long. Good luck in he rest of the tourney
08 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1913: I voted draw
08 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1913: I don’t see my situation improving so I’m fine with a draw if that’s the consensus.
09 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1913: You know this tournament started in March! And some of you want to go to the next round?
09 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1913: I know... I am keen to make it a full year. Preferrably two. It has been a slog for sure but given how much I have invested in it I want to see it through. More fool me
14 Jan 20 UTC Congratulations fellow ironmen/ironwomen, we are last game standing
15 Jan 20 UTC Gg France, I know it was a frustrating game for you so really appreciate you sticking around and putting orders in. Many wouldn't.
15 Jan 20 UTC I believe we are all good now so my draw vote is in. I will leave closing comments till the draw goes through though just in case.
15 Jan 20 UTC I hope the draw goes through. Not sure it will.
15 Jan 20 UTC Draw vote is in.
15 Jan 20 UTC What a game, wow!
15 Jan 20 UTC I had, I guess largely by design, no choice but to draw. Russia could've made Swiss cheese out of my eastern front.
15 Jan 20 UTC I had a good first round, I think I was above all of you, and if you look at my rating, it is way below all of you. I only have about 100 tokens.

For me, this second round was tough. You guys were all too good for me. Actually, my other game was harder. This one was easy, because I didn't do anything, I just allied with players better than me and did what they said.
15 Jan 20 UTC The tournament was too long for me. I just lost the will to win.
15 Jan 20 UTC Well now i feel silly sending sentimental messages to SimonMH, had no idea he got swapped out.

Great game all! I'm waiting on the final announcement to pop the champagne but i believe we have a few from this one.
16 Jan 20 UTC Ha yes my message saying thanks for keeping going is now somewhat ironic.

Thanks for the great game all, some pretty intense moments there particularly in my dealings with england and france, a right merry go round we went on there for quite a while.

It was an honour and privilege to play with you all.

Italy - I know you lost the will a little but but thanks for keeping playing and your impact was huge, Austria and I very much have you to thank for tipping that balance in our favour.

England - as I have said privately I think after getting 3 on 1 at the start you dug yourself out magnificently and played a superb game in playing France and me off against each other and always finding a way to survive and get those points that make all the difference. I look forward to doing battle again

Austria - thank you for being my ally throughout, was a bit hairy at times. 1905-1907 were not fun and then when we lost ruhr in 1910. I am sure to the outside it looked like we were unshakeable allies but there was quite a lot of tooing a frooing behind the scenes, I know Austria was always looking for a chink in the armour and I pretty close to pulling the trigger a few times but it never quite made sense strategically for me given what I needed to get through and the risk it would have brought.

Like a sci-fi move the impact of other games echoed here in ways I didnt realise till later. SimonMH and shared our other game and our play in both had a profound effect I think. He dotted me in G4 so I couldn't agree the deal here, which put him at risk so he dotted again etc etc till we ended up in a all or nothing war in both without realising
16 Jan 20 UTC And thanks to you Brumark, I suspect both me and YHN both owe you a debt of gratitude for giving the assist to (if my math is right) get to the finals when you easily could have filled your plate much further. Was a very horrible start for me and it's not lost on me at all the trust and generosity that helped me survive well beyond the expiry date of my prime usefulness.

Was sorry to see Simon go. He wasn't the easiest neighbour or ally, but I thoroughly enjoyed getting to know him as a person.

YHN, you're one of the most loyal players I've even met and I must admit i was very jealous of the relationship you two had.

If i legitimately did manage to squeak by into the finals i'm very much looking forward to playing you both again (hopefully under bluer skies for me).
16 Jan 20 UTC I played with 5 of the 7 of you that made it to the finals. That is crazy.
16 Jan 20 UTC It was a pleasure.
Were any of you in Marseilles at WDC last year?

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Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 20 D
14 supply-centers, 11 units
Brumark (2051 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 3 D
5 supply-centers, 6 units
VillageIdiot (6818 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 2 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Miguel1612 (455 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
bozotheclown (2500 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Pjsticha (211 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Civil Disorders
ChippeRock (2564 D)Turkey (Autumn, 1907) with 6 centres.
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