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Finished: 08 PM Tue 14 Jan 20 UTC
Private ODC 2019 - R2 G6
2 days /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1916, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring, Hidden draw votes, Wait for orders
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
04 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1909: Thank you for your opinion, I understand that you need to exaggerate the threat I represent to be able to eliminate the competition.

I think we all can agree that the state of the game is not only the scoreboard but also the position of the pieces. My analysis is that your position is the strongest on the board, followed by Austria's. How come? You have an open highway into Russia, you don't have any enemies besides me and your ally have their back totally open. Austria's last spring moves proves that I am all dependent on their and my other neighbour's good will to survive or at least not go down three or four SC:s.

So I completely understand you need to get people to focus on my SC count rather than your successful position. I agree I help you with that quite a bit this last turn - believe me, I did never appreciate the outcome, it surprised me completely that I would end up with a build rather than lose four. And I'm sure I will be dead soon if you all decide to take me out, much sooner than you would be if we all teamed up to take you out. That's how delicate my "lead" is.

Besides that, I don't need a solo. I'm all good with a shared win or if that can't be arranged, that my ally will win.

As I have already said, my draw vote is set. If you are concerned with the risk of me running away with it, you can always join in and we'll get this over with, right away.
04 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1909: Which part was an exaggeration? The part where you gain while Austria stagnates? I suppose I exaggerated when I wrote that you surrounded him, as you are technically only to his left, right, and underneath of him. Maybe it was an exaggeration to say that, often, when a player surrounds another and doesn't respect parity of growth, it is a solo reach ... except I've seen it many times.

That said - yes I do have a nice position. It came from your betrayal of Germany, which is fine. The game involves betrayals and deception, or else we should play Candy Land. But to say I don't have any enemies is to disregard Austria. After all, if he is your ally, and you are my enemy, then the official enemy count is two.

But as you point out, my ally's back is totally open, so I'm not sure how my nice position stacks up if Germany crumbles, which lessens the value of it.

The only question I have is this one:

You originally courted me, ready to betray Germany, because you said that it presented better opportunities for us both to grow, whereas Germany would get in your way as an ally.

Now you are saying you are perfectly fine with a draw and that your draw vote has been set for a couple of seasons now.

So which is it? Were you content with the number of centers you would have received at the time you claim to have submitted your draw vote (assuming we all submitted ours)? Or did you need Germany gone from your partnership so that you had further room to expand? Or is the whole "I submitted my draw vote already" just a way to placate Austria until you are in position to attack him from three sides?
05 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1909: Ah, we're playing "who's gonna post the longest wall of text"?
Sure, I can play that game even if I don't really enjoy it. In my experience the player that need most text to present their point often proves to be the least reliable.
At least it will save me time when writing the EOG statement, as a lot of it will be published in advance.

I'll start with your question.

Answer: Things change.

When I asked you to join in the 3WD instead of G, I thought you would be the ideal partner, true. Promising to finish off Germany quickly and end this eternal game perhaps before the holidays. We had it all figured and agreed upon - who would get which centers and everything (AEI 12-11-11). You payed back my favor of giving you two builds, by turning against me.
Why would I clinge to the AEI deal after you betrayed me? Circumstances change and of course I adapt.

Over to your exaggerations.

How have Austria stagnated? In my book they had two builds last winter and Germany and Turkey would have provided them with at least two more this year. Are you talking history? I don't understand how anything else but the now and the future would matter. Well, we can talk about the "surrounded" instead if you want. I'm sure Austria tremble at the sight of the two Italian fleets in the South - they can really do extreme damage to their centers. And the two units in StP and Mos that is guarding three centers, they had as mission to protect StP from Russia and you eventually. Hardly any attack potential.
Ah, you didn't mean "surrounded by units that could be a threat to Austria", only that the color green is dominant in Russia because the size of the StP and Mos territories cover half the map!? Sorry for misunderstanding, it didn't sound that way the way you put it...

Actually I believe it was a quite balanced distribution, task wise - Austria had the units they needed to move on Turkey and Germany eventually, I had the units I needed to fight in the West. No units wasted for defense or threatening each other, I would say rather optimized in fact. Austria could probably have ended on Balkan+Turkey+Ber+Mun (12) while I perhaps could get Iberia+Mar+Russia (11). Perfectly fine with me, just like I said to you originally.

My question to you is how would you design a different AI alliance from the current situation?
06 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1909: Well, I might have let my ally build at least one fleet sometime in the last nine years ... If I had really wanted him to be able to defend all three sides of attack.
06 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1909: I was hoping for something more elaborated, but thanks for the advice.
06 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1909: I took this into consideration:

Ah, we're playing "who's gonna post the longest wall of text"?
06 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1909: I like how you think
08 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 1910: My draw vote is still in
08 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 1910: If you're so willing to draw ... Then why won't you admit that you're not?
09 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 1910: Translation please
09 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 1910: I'm just messing with you.
12 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: Last minutes for your chances to vote draw, for an outcome of the game that will reflect fairness and decency #ItalyToTheFinals #EverythingElseIsOutrageous #itWillSoonBeTooLate
12 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: Disappointing
15 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 1911: Keen to hear your thoughts. Italy could block us for a while hear so we need to work out moves that convoy your armies into Livonia or Prussia here
15 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 1911: Yes. The good news is that the area around the Iberian is stable. So we hope that Austria is still on our side or at least that turkey is and we push down south. I suspect they will band together it seems like the near future, so we need to act swiftly. I think I need to try to get an Army in Livonia as quickly as possible
15 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 1911: It would be nice if we could fixing conflict between the two of us to throw them off the scent, but I don't see a way of doing that without sabotaging our stronghold.
17 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 1911: All good and well folks.
But tell me, England, where is that German fleet a good ally should allow their ally to build, for defensive purposes?
Didn't you allow it?
17 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: I would have been happy to allow it. The subject never came up. I think he sees my good will gesture in that I'm keeping any threat far from his centers.
17 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: Different standards for different people, I recognise the symptom.

Perhaps you decided to optimise your offensive efforts instead..?


Well, Austria listened to your crap talk at the wrong moment, so the harm is already done, but I think it is important people around the table should be enlightened about it.
17 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: I actually think this board is set. My draw vote is in.

I don’t see either austria or Germamy progressing in the north given what units y’all have. Italy can’t come finishe me off without letting Germany into the med. they can’t break through.

I actually think we have a five way draw
17 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: I agree with the 5 way Draw and my Draw vote has been submitted
18 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: Is ENgland the only one not voting Draw? May the Draw countries quickly unite to quickly bring peace to the world!
18 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: I will admit to being the straggler on the draw vote. I always cast that boat with Carson because I think the game deserves more than four or five way drawers unless a stalemate is obvious. While close to obvious right now, I don't think it's for certain.
18 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1911: Actually, I was off in my math. I agree it’s not obvious.
21 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1912: Is there a three year draw clock applied to this game? After this fall we've had two consecutive years where no centers have shifted owners. Meaning next year will be the final year for the game to display some progress?
22 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1912: That'd be silly if that were true
25 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: You agree to a DMZ in aegean, right?
26 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Yes - pinkie promise.
26 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Oh, good. That's fantastically reassuring. Germany, you too?
26 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: I’m definitely in for a DMZ in Aegean - very in keeping with the Christmas spirit
27 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Looks like the draw clock counter have been reset. Good for you.

But what will England and Germany say now when the DMZ have been violated? Or is there a new concept I wasn't aware of? Holidays happily over with perhaps?
27 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Christmas was two days ago!
27 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: It's always Christmas somewhere. That's how timezones work, right?
05 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1914: Hey, all. I'll be offline today. Family stuff. I owe one or two or three of you messages, but since it's just build season, have mercy ...
14 Jan 20 UTC That was possibly the most moronic game I’ve played in a long time
14 Jan 20 UTC Congrats Germany. I think you I am likely make the final board. See you there
14 Jan 20 UTC *you and I
14 Jan 20 UTC Sorry if I’m testy but it’s been a while since I’ve been stabbed by every single “ally” after a single turn.
14 Jan 20 UTC Thanks for a good (if infuriating) game. Can’t fault anyone for major screw ups other than Russia’s persistent failure to stop the obvious AI alliance and Austria’s bizarre failure to negotiate a better draw
14 Jan 20 UTC (And holy crap, I just noticed who Russia is. Color me shocked, which marks me out as a fanboy, I guess)
14 Jan 20 UTC Thanks all for a pretty wild and chaotic game.
14 Jan 20 UTC After sending messages just now to Turkey and Germany, I realize the game is over. Good game everybody. Balki, it was great to play you. I honestly thought I was playing you through my entire other game, but had no clue in this one. Germany, it was great partnering with you. I'm convinced we would have taken the map had we done it earlier, but hindsight is always perfect, right? Turkey, sorry for our testy conclusion. You and I have had a good relationship throughout the game, but the geography kept it from being more than that.
14 Jan 20 UTC By the way, can anyone clarify what triggered the draw? I'll be honest that I never read the rules of the tournament. Unless I did so by accident, I never voted for a draw, so I'm assuming we hit some sort of a deadline.
14 Jan 20 UTC Congrats to the winners.
14 Jan 20 UTC Apparently you had your draw vote up. Germany mentioned he had his draw vote up and I was curious whether that was true across the board because a fractured five way draw with only two players modestly ahead suited me. So I hit draw and when it refreshed we had the draw.
14 Jan 20 UTC I was frankly astonished as heck!
15 Jan 20 UTC That makes sense. There are a couple of times that I was communicating through my phone and just, as I was about to close out, it would asked if I was sure I wanted to cast this vote. I would always click cancel, but I must have accidentally been tapping on the draw vote somehow.
16 Jan 20 UTC Been away from this game so long, it’s quite hard to remember my downfall. Congratulations to the winners and, damn it, you should have worked with me!
16 Jan 20 UTC Um. I tried and you stabbed me like ten times in a row
16 Jan 20 UTC Sounds like it’s my fault. I can’t argue with that. Obviously a poor showing from me.

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

England
Skidmarks (737 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 14 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Germany
Napoleon of Oz (2709 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 11 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Turkey
Ogion (3974 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Italy
Seichuto (308 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 4 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Austria
sweetwatersam (6256 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 3 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
France
jollycream (969 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Russia
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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