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Finished: 12 PM Sun 17 Nov 19 UTC
Private ODC 2019 - R2 G3
2 days /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1908, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring, Hidden draw votes, Wait for orders
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
01 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: I spent six straight hours on conference calls today. Blech
01 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: I feel for you. I hope you were at least contributing somehow. For me, I say that the most miserable work experience is when I have to pay attention without participating.
02 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Blockbuster turn!
05 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Moderator: (bo_sox48): Paused due to a player emergency. This will not count against tournament pause time.
05 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Shoot. I hope everything is ok!
10 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Any word on when things might resume?
10 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Forgot this game existed. Echo the hope that everybody is all right.
10 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Also, would like to point out that my joke two months ago about an AI suggestion bot now looks extremely prescient.
10 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Hopefully we can resume soon. As Austria said, hope everyone is alright...
11 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Moderator: (dargorygel): Unpaused... let us know if there is a problem.
16 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Okay for real who can’t get their moves in every two days?
16 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Perhaps the person with the emergency?
16 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Yeah, who didn't notice the clock starting again. Should we perhaps call the TD?
Or wait, we have had one phase since, haven't we?
16 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: It isn't the person with the emergency. I put in orders this morning.
16 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Oh true. Sorry, didn't mean to be insensitive. Just the pace of this game has been kind of bonkers :/
17 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: You're fine. I didn't take it to be that way at all. I agree with you. I wonder what's happening.
21 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: My last thirty seconds alive in this game. Good game all, it's been a blast!
21 Oct 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Thanks for playing!
21 Oct 19 UTC Spring, 1906: GG Turkey. Was a pleasure
21 Oct 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Is Germany rude to everyone or just me? LOL!
21 Oct 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Thanks for playing, T.
21 Oct 19 UTC Spring, 1906: @Russia, it's everybody.

Raise a glass to the Turk. They fought bravely and honorably.
23 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Moderator: (Aurelin): Paused for a week.
30 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Moderator: (Aurelin): Unpaused. Have fun!
03 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: My draw vote is in
03 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Could we ready up? It’s been a long game as is
08 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1907: Um?
08 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1907: Don't look at me, mate!
10 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1907: Hello new germany here
10 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1907: Brave man! Thanks for stepping in.
10 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1907: or woman...
10 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1907: not that I'm fishing for information....
10 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1907: Welcome!
10 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1907: thanks for the welcome, looks like I'm not long for this world though
10 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1907: I wish we'd gotten this replacement years ago, TBH
10 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1907: Moderator: (Aurelin): Unpaused
12 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 1907: Like all sweet dreams, it will be brief, but brevity makes sweetness, doesn't it?
13 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 1907: Well, that was fun.
13 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 1907: Intense. Thanks for helping out!
13 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 1907: You did the best you could with what you had!
15 Nov 19 UTC I propose a draw!
15 Nov 19 UTC Congrats to the winners!
15 Nov 19 UTC My goodness! Congrats you all. That was a pretty darn high quality match, frankly.
15 Nov 19 UTC Thanks for playing fellas. That was a fun game, definitely. For the most part, the caliber of play was very high and aligned with what I expected from a tournament like this.

I liked that there were a lot of polite messages between the players, even when conflicting with each other. Hit me up some time if you want to play again.
15 Nov 19 UTC Oh wow that finished quickly!
18 Nov 19 UTC Good game all. I am impressed that Austria didn’t try for a solo
18 Nov 19 UTC Now that you mention it..., but frankly, I don't see how I could have crossed the stalmate line by two. The first stab would through Italy and France into defending it. Tunis and probably Rome and Naples would be locked up as a stalemate long before I could get there with my one fleet in Sevastopol. Maybe if I'd moved earlier. Truth is, Italy was a bomb proof ally, so I never considered it.
19 Nov 19 UTC You are right, perhaps you couldn’t solo. But you could end the game w better score. Although respecting an ally regardless of the score is admirable.
19 Nov 19 UTC Yeah. I kind of gave up on making the final board so, working woth Italy made sense. You’re entirely correct that wasn’t optimal strategy on my end.
19 Nov 19 UTC For your edification:

I am fairly casual about backstabbing allies, and might have done so if there was the right opportunity. However, I think Ogion and I were intelligent alliance players who gave each other few-to-zero opportunities for a powerful backstab. We were in constant communication, planned out all our moves, and never moved without the agreement of the other. It's usually a bad idea to backstab a player over just 1 or two centers, especially if the player will afterwards be in a recoverable position.

When our opportunities to attack each other were at their highest, France was in a strong position such that either of us could have put France in the #1 position (or a solo, possibly) in retaliation.

Revenge like that is a serious danger when you have such a close alliance. One of the risks of becoming emotionally close with your ally (which is something we accomplished) is that a backstab may be not be forgiven. As the match progressed, Austria and I crossed a threshold where I—ruthless S.O.B. that I usually am—would only have backstabbed if I were fairly sure I would get a solo win out of it. And Ogion (and others!) played very well, so that never came up.

At the end of this match, Austria had a tactical opportunity to attack me. But it would have raised a lot of uncertainty for likely only a small gain. Let me explain:

Strategically, I was holding powerful cards during mid and endgame. I suspect you do not fully appreciate that ali2542, so I encourage you to consider my analysis. Because of my control of a big number of stalemate-line centers (Tunis, Munich, Berlin), I had a lot of strategic influence (or potential influence). So even though, at face value, my position looks tactically vulnerable to an equally-sized Austria who has no clear enemies, there's more going on strategically than that.

From my current positions, if France cooperated with me, I could stalemate Austria at easily out of every center except the Turkish home centers. That could raise Austria's total score to 13 centers, but at the risk of destabilizing the rest of the board. What if France or England overpowered the other? What if I started ceding centers to France in revenge? Austria had no way of knowing for sure if I considered a 13-8-7-4-2 draw acceptable. What if I considered that draw basically the same as zero, and started taking revenge?

In other words, Austria was not strictly facing a situation of "do I take some additional centers, or do I let Italy have them out of a sense of honor?" (Although that played a role in Austria's thinking). Austria was risking a 10-10-8-4-2 draw (a pretty good draw for sum-of-squares scoring) to get up to 13 centers, but potentially facing a worse outcome.

Now, it's also possible that in going for more centers, Austria could create some kind of chaos that later resulted in an even higher score than 13, but that's even more uncertain. And if your plan assumes something like "and then chaos unfolds!," you're taking even bigger risks; what if England, France and I decided to carebear it and cut Austria out of the draw? That might have been possible due to Austria's lack of fleets. And so on.

Thus, although the relationship between me and Austria mattered (I cannot recall having a closer alliance than the one we had, certainly not in an anonymous game), there are *also* strategic reasons that justify the match ending the way it did.

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Italy
swordsman3003 (13189 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 13 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Austria
Ogion (4009 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 13 D
10 supply-centers, 9 units
France
Seichuto (308 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 8 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
England
Mr. Green (335 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 2 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Russia
ali2542 (752 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 1 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
Germany
Pjsticha (206 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Turkey
Magnetic24 (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
ChippeRock (2564 D)Germany (Spring, 1907) with 1 centres.
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