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Finished: 12 PM Sun 09 Jun 19 UTC
I AM the discourse!
1 day /phase
Pot: 140 D - Autumn, 1905, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: I'm new, so I feel I can't completely rely on any past agreements. If they're game for a 3-way draw, then unfortunately I can't agree to keep you alive. If they're not game, let's chat :)
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Your predecessor porked me.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Hi Turkey!

We had a pretty good thing going with that last sultan. We’d be happy to extend the same invitation of a three-way draw to you.

We should talk about Moscow though. I’m a bit put off by the former sultan’s unilateral decision to make it his. I would be happy to let you keep Moscow until you have gains in the Balkans to compensate for its loss, but then I must insist that it becomes part of the British sphere of influence.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Bit presumptuous of me to say “we would” actually. My bad, France! :D
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: What am I missing, why does it matter so much that you get Moscow specifically if we're drawing shortly? As long as we divide up the remaining 8 SCs equitably, it should be a non-issue. Let's just agree that the 3 of us all end up with at least 11 SCs with one getting 12. Sound fair?
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: All four of us are still alive surprisingly enough.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: I've been hanging by a thread
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Interesting to see that France doesn't trust England.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Little loss of efficiency and you left me a valuable back door...
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: @Turkey: I feel like Moscow would be much easier for me to hold than Warsaw and would give me a better defensive position. I know we’ll be drawing shortly, but I don’t want to end up on the recieving end of a last minute stab that drastically lowers my share of centers. I don’t mean to sound paranoid or demanding, you’re just a bit of an unknown quantity right now and I’d rather be safe than sorry.

Plus, letting me walk into Moscow while you take Warsaw would end the game that much quicker. It could be a while until I get to Warsaw otherwise.

@Germany: Where do you see this distrust toward me?
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: @England: no worries fam. You can handle the diplomacy. I was just out eating a baguette or looking at the Eiffel Tower or something.
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: He moved to Ruhr, not a pivotal place for me to move with a one-man army, Burgandy on the other hand... could cause some major setbacks. Now he's going to have to support himself back into Burgandy leaving Ruhr and not allowing me to be eliminated this round.
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: If you want me to finish it sooner, you could vacate Munich this coming turn
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: I don't but you do. Every round wasted is a round where you can't play something else.
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: I'm in like 12 games lol.
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: I'll keep plodding along then.
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Come on!
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Whodunnit?
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Probably Austria.
06 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1905: @France: I’d appreciate it if you could cut Munich’s support this turn. In fall, we can support you in.
06 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1905: Sure
06 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1905: @France: Much appreciated! If you could follow up my support into Munich with a move into Silesia next year, that would be great.

@Turkey: You stand to be at 12 centers by the end of the year. I find that concerning, seeing as Vienna too will fall under your control next year. I can’t speak for France, but I won’t tolerate a Turkish solo push.
06 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1905: @England: I have no interest in going for a solo push. You need 18 SCs for that and I'm at 11 - that's no where near a solo win. It would be a huge, long, drawn-out battle against an allied France/England. As soon as everyone else has been eliminated, we will draw. My goal is to eliminate everyone else ASAP and then draw the game.
06 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1905: I believe Turkey. He knows he can't win against both of us, and if he tries, it will just mean one of us ultimately wins after he's defeated and we turn on each other.
06 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1905: And sure England, I'll help you into Silesia after Munich falls.
06 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1905: Thank you, France :)
07 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1905: Alright, fair enough Turkey. Just noting my objections for the record. Thanks for not taking this paranoid Brit’s accusations too personally. :)
07 Jun 19 UTC LOL, if you weren’t paranoid you wouldn’t be playing right
07 Jun 19 UTC Why do you think I pushed for this mega-alliance in the first place?
07 Jun 19 UTC Hey France, which unit do you want supported?
07 Jun 19 UTC Burgundy please!
07 Jun 19 UTC GG Italy and Austria.
07 Jun 19 UTC My draw vote is in. If we want another turn to get England his 11th SC, I'm cool with that too.
07 Jun 19 UTC I’d be happy to include Russia and end one center short. My vote is up.
07 Jun 19 UTC Why Russia and not me :(
07 Jun 19 UTC If we draw right now, you do get included Germany. The only difference is that Russia gets 1 webDiplomacy point and you get 0... but you both get counted as a draw/survived.
07 Jun 19 UTC @Germany: Because I would’ve had to be 2 centers short then. :D

Regardless, good game Germany. If Russia hadn’t bum-rushed you in 1901, this game probably would’ve turned out much differently.
07 Jun 19 UTC The fact that Russia ended up beaten back to one center is a credit to your diplomacy, even if you got got in the process.
07 Jun 19 UTC Sure, I'll submit the draw vote now.
07 Jun 19 UTC Well, what I learned in this game is not to be too passive in your plans in a public game... throw any of your ideas out there. If I had convinced England to join me against France before the new France came things may have turned out differently. I was just worried about what France would do if I mentioned it again... Although that passing comment may be why France convinced England to turn on me in the first place...
07 Jun 19 UTC @Germany: Good observation, especially in the very early game. I was really chomping at the bit to go after France. After I saw your opening and rather disinterested reaction to my move to English Channel, I had to walk it back. I think I did a good job of hiding it, but you really alienated me by opening to Holland and grabbing Belgium.

To be fair though, 1901 was a rather sloppy, diplomatic disaster for me in general. Luckily, old France was super passive. Things probably would’ve gone very poorly for me if the current French player had been in charge at the time.
07 Jun 19 UTC Not the first one dead!
07 Jun 19 UTC If you hit draw, you don’t have to die at all!
07 Jun 19 UTC Russia...
07 Jun 19 UTC Lmao
07 Jun 19 UTC Thanks...
07 Jun 19 UTC Oh cool, they show the civil disorders of the history of the game.
07 Jun 19 UTC GG
08 Jun 19 UTC GG all!

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Turkey
azzaron (1765 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 56 D
12 supply-centers, 9 units
France
Pinecone333 (153 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 47 D
11 supply-centers, 8 units
England
CLRJames (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 39 D
10 supply-centers, 9 units
Russia
mfmozi (151 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 1 D
1 supply-centers, 2 units
Italy
What1881 (152 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
Germany
Duaner02 (1367 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: D
0 supply-centers, 2 units
Austria
Drakon (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Civil Disorders
sandian (100 D)France (Autumn, 1902) with 5 centres.
aaalex (100 D)Turkey (Autumn, 1904) with 9 centres.
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