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Finished: 08 PM Sat 08 Jun 19 UTC
Classic-212
1 day /phase
Pot: 240 D - Autumn, 1911, Finished
Classic, Rulebook press, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game won by ben9990 (1338 D)
01 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1909: I warned you and Italy but you kept positioning around me...case in point...Rumania and Armenia.
01 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1909: You brought this on yourselves
02 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1909: They have got to have a training program for new players to teach them to count to 18 at least. England is at 12 now....wins at 18. So France and Russia, what have you done to prevent him getting the next 6? Moscow makes 13...wonder where the next 5 are from?
02 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1909: Speaking of counting, England is at 11
02 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1909: They have Warsaw.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: 13
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: Not to mention the other 4 that they have at their fingertips once they decide it would be worthwhile to stab France.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: Shame you two threatened me. We could have held a strong line.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: Shame you are are paranoid -- we had the line set and you decided to flip.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: No reason to keep up your lie now. You were planning on eating him alive as soon as you got the chance
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: Actually no France, I had hoped to perform a Wintergreen with him the entire match and it seems that he wasn't able to ever shake the idea that Austria was an enemy.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: I like wintergreen gum :p
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: I feel a bit left out of this cosy chat. ;-)
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: Then why have units in Armenia and Rumania? Anytime I bring that up, noone has a good answer for that.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: Their only purpose is to attack me. You guys gambled I would sit around and wait to be cut from the draw. You were wrong
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: It was to defend you if England broke through.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: Sure I have...and I've said it many times. If you screwed up and lost Warsaw despite the work we were doing. And about being wrong, what part of the draw are you now? You suicided to smite a wrong that never happened. England as a silver tongue!
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: And the damned reality is that now I'm in trouble because I overextended to try and save Warsaw....you swapping puts us at risk of not making the statement line in time. We would have been fine if we never tried to help you. That is the most annoying part of this.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: I dont see how an army in armenia could be justified as a defensive action

You were there threatening him at various points that far preceded my arrival in moscow
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: See, that is the germ if an idea England has been peddling all along! His "defence" was not related to the units around Sev, but in the simple fact that he was integral to the stalemate line. We would NEVER take Sev since that would mean the line in the north broke. But you know that already....you just put silly fears in the mind an a less experienced player. England to Russia "Don't read the board, son, just focus on this little corner..."
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: if=of
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: Ah, I am not sure I follow. Sev can be held indefinitely with a single support from Rumania. There was never a cause for an army in armenia other than imminent attack.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: Russia was needed to hold the line with you, as you know. We would never take Sev as long as that line held or it wouldn't hold. If Warsaw fell through poor play, we had to be ready for the next line. We are screwed now precisely because we moved away as Russia asked, and then he flipped anyway. If we had the units in place and I didn't waste me time trying to get and hold Boh/Sil, we would be nice and turtled at the moment.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: Yes...you moved away by mpving towards me.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: This is pointless....where we were had nothing to do with the core issue. We had every incentive to support you holding Moscow/Warsaw and calling it a draw. All your paranoia has done is killed the draw and handed England a win. And why heck France is happy to be an enabler for no points or honor is beyond me....losing is losing.
04 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: I still dont get how any of this excuses occupying armenia since 1904

The discussion of stalemate lines also seems a bit off - France has already crossed the stalemate line?
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: Stalemate as in defensible, not the 17/18 threshold. With Moscow/Warsaw/Sil/BOH/Tyr/Pie/and the rest of the Med with supporting units could not be breached and a draw would have been forced (unless you turned on France). The second shell works with Sev and across, but we are missing one of my armies because I was overextended and didn't get back in time.
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: There are lots of lines that force draws if you have the right army/navy unit mix and get it set up in time.
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: True. All the more reason for the forces of democracy to march with haste!
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1910: This will be a fascinating turn...50/50 in Central Europe on who guesses right. Or maybe its 1/3 screwed, 1/3 yeah! and 1/3 guess again next turn...
05 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1911: God save the Queen
05 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1911: Bringing civilisation, order and cricket to the uncouth savages of the continent?
05 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1911: We bring scones. Tea. Rainy weather and middling food.
05 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1911: Surprise! Its personally rewarding when what you've been saying all along turns out to be true....but a loss is still a loss.
05 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1911: I know how you feel. I also said stuff all along and here we are!
05 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1911: I know right?
06 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1911: One said something, another said something. Hell, even I said things. Nobody is surprised. I appreciate my inbox isn't filled with 'i told you so'.
06 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1911: I really want to believe in ya'lls defeatism but fear a draw is still in the cards =( =(
06 Jun 19 UTC *phew*
06 Jun 19 UTC I hit ready
06 Jun 19 UTC *drum roll*
06 Jun 19 UTC Dangnabbit -- came down to a 50/50 in the East....would Liv support Warsaw or Moscow...and England guessed right. We have one more shot...
06 Jun 19 UTC "All countries have entered orders"

Want to hit ready and see how the cookie crumbles?
07 Jun 19 UTC Jeej. I survived
07 Jun 19 UTC Good game everyone

Thank you for accommodating my neuroticism by speeding it up near the end
07 Jun 19 UTC Gee, I died first! Ach. Blue Lepanto schmepants.
07 Jun 19 UTC Nice game. Thanks everyone
07 Jun 19 UTC Thanks all!
07 Jun 19 UTC Guessed wrong twice!! Well played Ben.
07 Jun 19 UTC Its tricky - there was no way through those moves except Ukraine as moving unit to warsaw, which i viewed as extremely unlikely (gal to war would bounce)

The real luck is in the move to Paris unsupported which i viewed as necessary to save Munich

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England
ben9990 (1338 D)
Won. Bet: 30 D, won: 240 D
18 supply-centers, 15 units
Italy
Duaner02 (1367 D)
Survived. Bet: 30 D
7 supply-centers, 6 units
Austria
Creigh (2750 D (G))
Survived. Bet: 30 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
France
Toxibus (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 30 D
2 supply-centers, 3 units
Germany
spqrethan (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
Turkey
graeme_moss (242 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
Russia
dyager_nh (644 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
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