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Finished: 11 AM Wed 12 Jun 19 UTC
Private ODC 2019 - R1 G8
1 days, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1918, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring, Hidden draw votes, Wait for orders
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
13 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Why not a Draw now?
13 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Why not a Draw now?
13 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Moderator: (jmo1121109): Nothing I see indicates an error. The only way this should happen is if Russia for whatever reason decided to save all holds with the intent of coming back later and changing those orders. WFO only works if you have not clicked save or ready since entering all holds is a valid game option.

What backs this up is that if the WFO code was somehow missed the excused missed turn code would have caught no orders entered and charged Russia their excused missed turn, which did not happen. So I can say with confidence there was no bug here.

-WebDip Dev
13 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Thx jmo
13 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Yeah, thanks a lot for checking that!
13 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: I guess we wait for Russia to come back?
16 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Moderator: (Durga): I have contacted the player. I will try to get find a replacement
16 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: I again submit that we should simply Draw this game.
18 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Not much point in drawing now.. Better just take and share the Russian sc's? What is everyone's opinion on this?

It's just a real pity, Russia's moves last year are pretty game breaking. In my opinion this was a very, very good game up to that point.
18 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: I share Turkeys opinion. Everyone just takes a share of Russia's SCs and we call it a day
18 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: I would disagree that Russia's moves were game-breaking. Russia was almost certainly going to lose 2 SCs anyway--Norway plus one in the south. With most of us allied against him, he was on a downward trajectory already. This just lost him an extra SC a little more quickly.

I agree we should divide Russia's SCs before we draw.
18 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: That's pretty generous of you two superpowers. Then we get to the hot iron I guess, who get's what? I have the feeling England is just happy to draw, whatever the amount of sc's ;-)

For me, 5 is the magic number. I think I would be overstepping if I asked for more. That would mean there are 7 sc's to distribute between I and F.. Would you two be content with that?
18 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: As a sub, I don't much care for points. Also, I think I'm going to be board leader in my other game, so I'm pretty set on getting through to the next round.

As a player, personally I find it distasteful to continue a solo effort when a NMR happens. Although since Russia was crumbling in the North I thought I had a decent shot still.
18 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Moderator: (Durga): New Russia, thank you to the new player, play on!!
18 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Ooooh, bad luck there Russia

(Durga this is why you should gunboat games when replacing players)
18 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Hello. Seems I stepped into a fun position. Time to read press and figure out how to salvage this.
18 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1913: Hello new Russia, thanks for willing to step in!
25 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1914: Hi all, I am on holiday so my press will be sparse and a bit shorter than usual. Sorry about that!
26 May 19 UTC Spring, 1915: I guys. Busy day, I'll respond to press this evening
26 May 19 UTC Spring, 1915: *hi
27 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1915: Not long for my demise based on those joint moves
01 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1916: Im still on holiday sorry for brevity and long waits.
05 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1917: Goodbye sweet world
07 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1917: Thanks for playing England!
07 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1917: So guys! My draw vote is in, what say ye?
08 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1917: Good game, England. It's been a long one, but it's not drawing yet
08 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1917: Ah..
09 Jun 19 UTC Friendly reminder that this game is force drawn at the end of 1925 (if I remember correctly). Wonder if we'll make it that far.
09 Jun 19 UTC I guess it's France upsetting the balance of power this time ;-) . This game is running in circles a bit. Is there a way to negotiate fulfillment of all of our goals? As this is a tournament game and not a regular one, there might be a certain drawing position each of us is content with.
09 Jun 19 UTC As I've told both of you, I'm perfectly happy to end this now
09 Jun 19 UTC Thats nice to hear. What are your goals Italy? As Italy, the bigger France gets, the more points you lose through SoS..
09 Jun 19 UTC I would like to solo, but I'll settle for less. Does everyone else have their draw votes in?
10 Jun 19 UTC I don't think any of us are lying
10 Jun 19 UTC Russia never said publicly he voted draw, and you didn't exactly either.
10 Jun 19 UTC Mine is in
10 Jun 19 UTC I have told everyone in chat that my draw vote is in and has been in since I subbed in. Especially now I have no reason not to vote draw.
10 Jun 19 UTC Mine is also in
10 Jun 19 UTC Mine was in a long time ago
10 Jun 19 UTC Mine was in a long time ago
10 Jun 19 UTC Good game all. To advance in the tournament I would have probably needed to break 50. I don't think that was more than a remote possibility, and for mostly personal reasons I prefer the game to be over.

Best wishes for your future endeavors. Looks like 2-3 of you could advance.
10 Jun 19 UTC Good game Italy. You have been such a tough opponent. Your moves on the board are absolutely brilliant. Never a single mistake. For me, if you just tweak your diplomacy slightly (don't always decree things, but sometimes also let someone else's idea fly), you might have been the best opponent I ever played..

Thanks also to the other two for the game! Do you two subs aim to advance? For me it's a bit of a weird situation that the two subs (especially Russia, as France stepped in at the first turns) walk away with most of the points haha. Shame on me and Italy for allowing this to happen.
10 Jun 19 UTC No, I won't advance, even if I had gathered enough points (which I didn't). Gg, I think everyone here was a strong player which made this game so gridlocked
10 Jun 19 UTC I also will choose not to advance. I have no idea what my points are, and don't really care to know haha.
10 Jun 19 UTC Well Gert Frobe, I won't give you a number then, but you would advance if you wanted to.
10 Jun 19 UTC Well Turkey or Odo, I'm pretty new at this game so I appreciate the compliment and criticism. As luck would have it, this was actually the first time I've ever started a classic game as Italy.

In my defense I'll just say that I probably become a tougher negotiator with powers that have shown a pattern of stabbing. If you consider early in the game like Autumn '02, your support for me to move to Serbia was completely your idea. I went along with it only to get stabbed. If you stab your allies a little bit less frequently, you might make better long-term gains. Just my opinion.

Also does anybody know if it's possible to see who our original French or Russian players were?
10 Jun 19 UTC The mods have access to that info but it's not public knowledge
10 Jun 19 UTC Wow, you're saying you played Italy for the first time? I'm also quite new on this website and the whole online thing, but played quite a lot offline. Some pretty good moves there, or maybe I'm just super predictable haha.

I agree with you, my 1903-4 was absolutely horrible.. I never play like that, I'm actually an alliance type of player. Stick to my friends. What was even worse, was my move into Rum against Russia and trusting Austria, thereby alienating two of my neighbors. I thought I was done for right there.

Don't judge a player on a single move though. I was extremely busy at work and playing was very low on my priority list. After those horrible turns, I really tried my utmost to build either an alliance with you or with Russia. You shutting the door on me every time put a real dent in my faith in you. That's the reason behind my final attack on you. I thought I better hit you first, as you never gave me any hope that I was worth anyhting to you.
11 Jun 19 UTC I only started in 10 classic games before this including 3 as France and 3 as Russia, so never Italy. I was enough of a newbie that when in Spring 05, France moved Brest-MAO I was surprised he didn't cut his own support. I hadn't read that far in the rulebook before and it had never come up in my previous games.
11 Jun 19 UTC The previous France was MadMarx. He didn't have time for the tournament so asked me to take over his games. I certainly did not play as well as he would have, but at least I didn't shame myself. Russia might know who he took over for. I really do want to know who the previous Russia was, because had he not stabbed me the same turn I stabbed him, I think I could've had a solo shot.

I certainly messed up 1908-1911. Tried to stay everyone's friend for far too long and then made some bad guesses to boot. Had I been more aggressive, I might've had success, but I was just burned for aggression in my other game, so I wasn't all too eager here. Then England just falling apart really spoiled any chance of me coming back...until this past turn, actually. If I had cared about moving on, I would not have drawn here, because I had Russia by the tail, and Italy as well. Probably would've moved on Italy next year at the latest.
11 Jun 19 UTC I had offered to give Russia support into Munich on the next move, but the way things worked out here that would not have been effective. I'm not sure why Galicia moved to Warsaw instead of Boh, and Sil could have been used against Munich. France would have still been very powerful anyway I'm sure.

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France
goldfinger0303 (3050 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 14 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Italy
tr1285 (85 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 10 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Russia
Squigs44 (263 D Mod)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 10 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Turkey
Odo the Great (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 3 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
England
sweetwatersam (7890 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Germany
Andyyy (250 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Austria
ubercacher16 (259 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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