Finished: 08 AM Wed 20 Feb 19 UTC
Gunboat 2/day (:-:-:-:-:-:)
14 hours /phase
Pot: 210 D - Spring, 1909, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
19 Feb 19 UTC Yikes I got destroyed.
19 Feb 19 UTC Italy nmring twice in the past 3 turns killed this

I debated on a fleet 2 years ago and now wish I had.

Good game England and everyone else
19 Feb 19 UTC I’m v glad England drew. Austria could try to solo if they decided. But i guess i would end up as king maker
19 Feb 19 UTC Been nice if I had actually moved in the past 3 turns
19 Feb 19 UTC If you
19 Feb 19 UTC I got one point off that draw. ;-)
19 Feb 19 UTC Gg all. I probably could have forced a 17-17 draw, but it would have taken a while and Italy NMRing made me nervous.
19 Feb 19 UTC Btw, Germany, if you’d just disbanded your fleet I would have left you alone after taking Denmark. Same for Russia with Stp.
19 Feb 19 UTC I honestly figured not building a second fleet was enough of a "Hey, not tryna fuck with you" message
19 Feb 19 UTC I was rdy to give the game to Austria bc Eng was not taking the draw and was forcing me to move west. My nmr was unintentional. My plan was to open up to Austria and go after Eng.
i think you should have taken the draw knowing Austria can build a fleet and go after me faster than you
20 Feb 19 UTC I’m not sure you would have been able to throw the solo anymore, Italy, but I decided not to chance it.

Germany, keeping the fleet when you had the chance to disband it told me you wanted to keep the threat alive. Disband the fleet, build an army, and we fight France and Russia together. It cements me having the upper hand in the alliance, but I had the upper hand anyway.
20 Feb 19 UTC He could not throw it to me probably I am not sure why he was so gung ho about going against me, as I didn't do anything, but I had a chance a few years bacm to build a 3rd fleet and played with it in my mind

My only chance at 18 was taking munich, but the issue there is hold it, which I know I could not do once enough English armies got to the mainland
the 3rd fleet would have given me tunis probably [plus Italy home centers for 17 Had I ben able to hold munich (doubtful) that was my only true path to 18

The east was locked up on the stalemate line

The west was still open, but not building the 3rd fleet when I had that chance was my only real chance for a solo

When Italy pushed on me when I built my 2nd fleet (which I needed to get rid of the Turk) sorta confused me though.

I don't even know if 17 -17 was in the cards tbh That spain Portugal thing sorta made things odd down there.
21 Feb 19 UTC I think if I didn't turn away from France and didn't give up Portugal, you, Austria, could just take Venice with your armies. Venice down and I would be going easy. I think if you built the third fleet you had the best shot to solo.
21 Feb 19 UTC I agree on the 3rd fleet
21 Feb 19 UTC I would have taken Munich in the fall here, and I don't think you'd be able to get it back. The solo would have come down to your getting Marseilles or Spain while also replacing all of Italy's units with your own. I don't think that would have been possible, especially since Italy would not be able to take MAO.

In any case, I think you definitely should have built a third fleet. I also think Italy should have gone after Trieste before Turkey fell.
21 Feb 19 UTC At what point was trieste an option for him?
21 Feb 19 UTC unless I miss my point here, there was no point after 1901 that Italy had a clear shot at Trieste There was a time in mid-game where he tried to get Bohemia to make me defend 2 cities vs 3 Italian units, but I had brought that Warsaw army over to Silesia just in case he tried to do that, and he pulled that Marseilles army to piedmont, forcing me to push into Bohemia

He quickly then pulled back out of tyrolia into pure defense mode, and that was honestly the only moment he had to get into there that I saw
21 Feb 19 UTC and that moment he had, never really developed because he could not get into bohemia

Had he got into there, I would have been in a little trouble though

I would not have built even the 2nd fleet had Italy lent me some aid in disposing of the Turks, but I waited and waited, and he kept pushing west with his navy, and then built an another army on top of that, so I just said "crap or get off the pot"
21 Feb 19 UTC Well he could have gone to ADR in F06 and started forcing some guesses over Alb and Gre. But he really needed another fleet in there to increase tactical options. He could have gotten that by replacing Spa with an army or winning a guess over MAO and taking Por.

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