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Finished: Thu 05 PM UTC
Private Talk, Talk, Talk and hopefully enter orders!
2 days /phase (slow)
Pot: 707 D - Spring, 1909, Finished
Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
Game drawn
01:48 AM UTC *do think
02:09 AM UTC Oh, is there a name for that opening move to Denmark?
02:46 AM UTC I do know, I think.
The "Being Mean To Germany Opening".

Just kidding. I did some research, and didn't find anything. It's not that common, so maybe it just doesn't have one? I pass it off to those who play ftf, I don't know.
02:48 AM UTC It's a very satisfying opening, but perhaps not too effective. I wish I had thought of the convoy to Prussia earlier.
05:11 AM UTC Italy and France, was that bounce in Pie in 01 arranged?
05:15 AM UTC Somewhat, the ironic thing is that I like a Pie/Ven opening then cut back to Tri/Tyr, find it so satisfying and so France would have been safe.
07:00 AM UTC It was not arranged, I told them both to do it individually.
07:01 AM UTC I also told France of it, and we agreed to do it.

You played well Austria but not as well as you think you did.
07:02 AM UTC Also, Sevastopol would've been targeted by three units in Spring and there was a unit in Galicia so it was falling anyway. The country it helped most materially was Germany as they managed to get Sweden while maintaining good relations with Russia.
07:02 AM UTC I never particularly trusted you, hence why I made you move to Trieste in 01 and left my army in Venice. I just didn't have any choice when France attacked.

It seems like E/G played more of a role than you from what I've read
07:10 AM UTC As I said, the biggest result of the NMR was myself looking too strong too quick and handing France momentum for a solo run, as France and Turkey both spotted. The Russian NMR did not help England and damaged Turkey's longevity
07:12 AM UTC Yeah, England played very well. As for Germany, for most the game they just did exactly what I said I believe. I am sure the nuances of the EFG between them were also impressive!
07:14 AM UTC Finally, the reason France's solo attempt failed was because they only viewed it from a tactical perspective and considered how to stop England attacking them. If they offered a two way with Russia or Turkey, we might've had a French solo.

I had to get all of Russia, Turkey and Italy on side, I think if one kept playing with France they would have all the points.
07:21 AM UTC I think Italy didn't make any errors, they just got unlucky that an EF was being played. I was trying to push forward a united front against Russia from 1901 but I did not realise how able that made France to run things positionally around Germany and Italy.

I did completely lose control of the game, gained it back, and then somehow ended up where I was trying to.
08:09 AM UTC Wow: I like this post-game analysis.

Austria: Italy and I had agreed to bounce in Pie from the start. It was Italy’s request. We just tricked you into believing that you were the one who came up with that move as Italy was considering to move into your territories after bouncing back.

Same for the moves in Spring 02 against England. We knew you were talking a lot with everyone so I tried to spread the “highly confidential” rumor that I was going after England. To keep Italy and Germany off guard and to allow that rumor to return to England so that there was a good reason why he bounced me in EC (although that was prearranged).

F/R/T is always on the table and often discussed from the start. I agree it is one of the better paths to a French solo. That is also why I said Y04 was the key point for not pursuing a solo:
- England had suffered a serious blow in A03 but I had just started an attack in Italy and was out of position to go after England then.
- Somehow England managed to get Germany back on his side in Y04, which was for me the most impressive diplomatic move of this game. Certainly considering the great diplomatic skills of Russia itself.
- as a result, England got two builds, Russia lost two and Turkey also did not get where he needed. Turkey : why did you actually vacate Bul for Austria in A04?

Austria, I agree btw with Italy that I was not that impressed of your game (before I started attacking you). It helped you that Turkey made some mistakes and that I attacked Italy. But I’d say: some of your talks were a bit too obvious. I never trusted you because I knew you were saying the same things to everyone else as well. I had the feeling that a lot of players felt this way.

Eventually I attacked you to prevent a position to solo. And then I did become impressed of your skills. How you were able to get all the then smaller powers back into working with you, after they had all asked me to attack you. And how you got England to buy that I was actually capable of pulling a solo off. Apart from the drama in Global (for which I am guilty as well), that was where your game got impressive.

Finally: one last confession. I was Italy in the first game. 2 of my 3 ever nmrs were in that game during the holidays. Although I really love playing Italy, I clearly got a stronger position the second game. If old Germany were here: he would loathe it:-)

And on actual final note: thanks Russia (is my guess) for starting this great talk talk talk game, and thanks to you all for playing. It was a rollercoaster, and a damn fun one.
08:13 AM UTC I was sorely tempted to throw to you France. You have easily been able to do it as well if you didn't back off when you did. All you had to do was promise Austria a draw if I was to die, retreat a little then swing into the med once I was dead. Without my fleet there was no line in the south.
08:23 AM UTC Don’t know, but I can tell you what happened from my perspective. I was worried Austria would get Turkey into Italy in S05 (which was actually discussed as well - see the failed convoy to Apu). So I took Ion to prevent that. After that, there was Turkey’s message of throwing the game to me then shared by Austria in Global, which changed things. If England would have continued to trust me, there could have been an opportunity after A06 as well, but I think it would have been too difficult plus England grabbed Bel.
09:18 AM UTC I never would've guessed just how well France played with that stab on Italy, I was totally unaware of the depth of your discussions in 01 and 02! As I said, I did lose control of the board, it seems I never had as much as I thought.

You are right France, you did help me out quite a bit. Regarding Turkey vacating Bulgaria, that was a Turkish misorder.

Finally, I did do a little diplomatic lifting in the early years that I am not sure how aware of everyone is: I proposed the exact moves to Germany that Germany and England played against Russia, and also employed Turkey to help push the case, as there was at that point an A-T against Russia. I would suggest that this is my biggest contribution in the early years, apart from playing into Frances hand. I did never believe that you would attack England in Y04 though, I just didn't suspect you would go against Italy so hard.
09:51 AM UTC Attacking England would have been something for Y05 if it hadn't been that England had a great Y04 and had two builds.
12:17 PM UTC Oh I see. Wouldn't that have been too obvious a solo attempt though? And if you had done that I wouldn't have supported you against Italy.

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