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Finished: 03 PM Sat 02 Feb 19 UTC
General Winter
2 days /phase
Pot: 77 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Dejan0707 (1499 D)
04 Dec 18 UTC Spring, 1901: Greetings and good luck to all. But mostly me!
23 Dec 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: I genuinely appreciate how much of a wild card you are, Turkey.
25 Dec 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: Wishing a very Merry Christmas to all.
25 Dec 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: Moderator: (Claesar): Paused to prevent an NMR.
26 Dec 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: Moderator: (Claesar): I also contacted the player, who hasn't entered orders, when I posted my previous message. I presume they're busy due to the holidays, as I haven't received a reply yet even though they're normally active. I suggest we wait a bit more.
26 Dec 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: Moderator: (Claesar): Unpaused, have fun all!
26 Dec 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: Thank you Merry Christmass to all.
26 Dec 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: You too
28 Dec 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: I urge everyone to band together against France, they backstabbed Germany, they backstabbed me, and they will backstab you too. Their word is absolutely worthless. They are not to be trusted, not in the slightest.
29 Dec 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: I can confirm everything Italy said.
29 Dec 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: No response at all from France. Telling.
30 Dec 18 UTC Spring, 1905: RIP England
30 Dec 18 UTC Spring, 1905: GG England and hope we play again sometime soon. All the best in the New Year!
30 Dec 18 UTC Spring, 1905: Thanks for taking over and sticking it out. At least I won't be first out!
01 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1905: Happy New year you treacherous bastards
01 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1905: Haha, likewise I'm sure! :-)
01 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1905: Happy New Year!!!!
01 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1905: Hopefully with less backstabbing then here lol
01 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1905: Happy New Year fellow diplomats :-)
01 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1905: You too
02 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1905: I was just joking in case anyone wasn't clear. By and large, everyone in this game has been great to game with.
02 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1905: Even France, though he continues to prove his traitorous nature by descending upon Russia. How unfortunate.
02 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1905: Maybe this is good time to draw this game gents. When the sole purpose of this match became to get draw with 4 players instead of 6 I have no fun to continue. Besides both nations who are being written off by the new coalition played a solid game and deserve the draw as much as the rest. Even Italy deserve the draw despite doing nothing for the better half of the game besides crying on the public chat and forging other people messages.
02 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1905: You act like no one has ever used press against you before. It's part of the game, friend.

Europe deserves to hear the truth of your wily ways!
05 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Moderator: (Claesar): Paused to prevent an NMR.
05 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Sorry, I planned to enter the moves, just been busy lately.
05 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Moderator: (Claesar): Unpaused, have fun all!
05 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Moderator: (Claesar): Unpaused, have fun all!
20 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1908: Turkey, I don’t how familiar you are with the rules, but France will win if they get to 18 centers. Right now, you’re enabling them to do that. This would be an extremely easy game to draw if you weren’t attacking us.
20 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1908: My draw vote is in.
20 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1908: Very easy thing is to lecture others Austria. Fun fact: two years ago when I suggested to draw the game you refused and stated your wish that Germany and Turkey has to die first. Germany went under the hammer for you voluntarily but Turkey refused so now he is the bad guy. You decided to play with people, who will live and who will die and now your shocked they played back. Maybe you are searching for the bad guy in the wrong neighborhood. Look closer. Much closer.
20 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1908: France is playing a different game, because he clearly doesn’t remember what happened.

1. I never attacked Germany. My only offense against them was taking Munich, and that was because they were already dead and I wanted to prevent you from holding their centers. It’s hilarious that you pretend to be the god guy in that scenario.

2. Turkey stabbed me, if you will recall. Not much else to say there.

But I’m preaching to the choir. Anyone with sense already agrees with me.

If you’re really a kind and wise protector who wishes nothing but to sing kumbaya and have a friendly draw game, then prove it, and hit draw. My vote has been in for a long time. Hit draw, and retreat your fleets from the med.
20 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1908: You said it yourself, you were willing to hit draw even when Germany and turkey were alive! I somehow doubt you’ll do it though. I’d like to see you prove me wrong.
20 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1908: We all know France's word is absolutely worthless, I wouldnt place an ounce of faith in anything he says. My vote for draw is in.
30 Jan 19 UTC Well, that's game. I would say good game, but Turkey there kind of killed my enjoyment of it by deciding he preferred to lose.
30 Jan 19 UTC Game was lost for you when I took Ionian, and that happened because Serbia attacked Greece and cut support for Aegean.

Anyway it was good and interesting game. I enjoyed playing you all. GG
31 Jan 19 UTC Nah, game was lost when Turkey refused to respond to any messages, kept attacking us, and made no efforts to coordinate against you. I'm salty af.
31 Jan 19 UTC I'm with Austria, but yeah, good game.
31 Jan 19 UTC France, hope you took no personal offense to my slandering you in the global chat...just playing the game :)
31 Jan 19 UTC Goebels himself would be ashamed by your propaganda machine Vittorio the Ex, thus it was great luck for the humanity that the good side prevailed. :)
31 Jan 19 UTC gg France. I’m impressed by your win loss ratio by the way. 27% of games won is great!
31 Jan 19 UTC Thanks Austria. GG.
01 Feb 19 UTC Napoleon would be proud. GG everyone
01 Feb 19 UTC Lol. At the very least I know I got under your skin, and believe it or not, that can be very useful sometimes...you get someone angry enough and they don't think straight.

You played well, even if Turkey threw the game like an asshat. I salute you
01 Feb 19 UTC The real criminal here is turkey. Have you anything to say in your defense, you ungentlemanlike knave?
01 Feb 19 UTC You are wrong Austria, I have to say. Turkey doesn't speak much but what he say he mean it. We had good comunication througout the game and it worked for both of us quite well. When I was near Ionian Turkey openly told me that our friendahip has limits so I should not go there. He supported himself to Ionian following turn and I expected a bounce. But Austria made huge error and attacked Greece which cut support and put me in the Ionian. That was it for me, I had the game firmly in control and you could not stop the solo after that point. So that Austrian move gave me the game. If you didn't attack Greece and move away units from Turkish border he would guard Ionian and became part of the stalemate line fir sure.

Overall 3 of you had 2 possible choices that would most certainly secure you a draw. That is before I pushed into Ionian.

1. Leave some forces to construct stalemate line arround Munich and rush all units south to speed kill Turkey.

2. Move all units north and leave border against Turkey emty.

You did the worst choice by spliting units on half. That left your army on my border too weak to stop advance and you had too little troops on Turkish border to speed kill him. But you had enough forces to keep Turkey in fear you are going after him.

In my opinion that was huge strategic mistake. There was also some tactical mistakes. Russia should keep 2 northern fleets and disband BS fleet. That would buy you time to construct warsaw - moscow line. Second mistake was when Austria lost Munich for a year. Third mistake was when russia lost Baltic sea but didn't rebuilt that fleet to army warsaw. That was all small mistakes but all added up and in the end even with Turkish help youl would be in trouble to form that north line.

That is my view of the game. :)
02 Feb 19 UTC I agree there was some tactical mistakes, but I strongly disagree any mistakes were made against turkey.

Here is my reason: I was more than happy to avoid attacking turkey, and I would have 100% not attacked them in Ionian IF they had simply responded to my messages. I'm not a mind reader, I can't tell what I should do if they don't wan't to coordinate their moves with me. It's not for lack of trying either; I sent turkey several messages (polite ones, mind you), asking to work together. I got no responses.

Look at it from my perspective: Turkey was a hostile power that back stabbed me and then refused to communicate despite my attempts at good will. I could only assume that if I turned my back on them they would keep attacking me. Believe me, I would have been MORE than happy to not split up my forces, but I had no choice. It was either that or be killed by Turkey. Which would you prefer, a slight chance of victory by trying to wage a two-front war, or no chance of victory in a one-front one?
02 Feb 19 UTC Who in their right mind would just let you solo like turkey did?
02 Feb 19 UTC It is more complicated than that.

Something else is interesting though. Usually it is considered that open games are more relaxed and easy going...but this game was high quality and demanding from the start. Which can be best seen that we are still talking abut it days after it was finished. I wish every game of diplomacy has this level of energy :)
02 Feb 19 UTC I don't think it is more complicated than that, no good reason for Turkey to just let you win the game, he gained nothing from it. It's just bad playing

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France
Dejan0707 (1499 D)
Won. Bet: 11 D, won: 77 D
19 supply-centers, 16 units
Austria
JimBobV (172 D)
Survived. Bet: 11 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Turkey
dr.Ralph (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 11 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Russia
geoman314 (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 11 D
3 supply-centers, 4 units
Italy
bobarctor1977 (274 D)
Survived. Bet: 11 D
1 supply-centers, 2 units
England
Maluco Rasta (154 D)
Defeated. Bet: 11 D
Germany
Longneck (270 D)
Defeated. Bet: 11 D
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