Congratulations to shield, TheWizard, and DeltaAjaxNiner for sweeping the podium at EDC 2019!

Finished: 10 AM Thu 13 Dec 18 UTC
Private By Hook or By Crook
1 days /phase
Pot: 175 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
11 Dec 18 UTC Yeah I think you played very well! It was interesting what you mentioned about the differences between this and F2F... one thing to note is that I find people actually just play to draw on webdip a lot. I think the way this draw (I mean I'm assuming everyone will put their votes in) came about was much more natural... but I was very very paranoid about Germany trying to solo because that's what I would've done. I think they could've taken a run at it in 1906. France started telling me at one point that Germany was asking for peace with them and I assumed that meant Germany wanted a temporary peace so they could take a run at the east before turning back on France for the last few SCs. I'll be interested to hear more of their perspective as to why they didn't...
11 Dec 18 UTC I was uneasy about Turkey building 3 fleets. I have played the Italy-Turkey alliance well many times, but with 3 fleets, Turkey will have a hard time expanding north fast enough. I could build fleets to secure, but they would have to defend both against a three fleet-Turkey, or trust, that he would not follow me when I turned west. That he would just sit there with his three fleets doing nothing. And ultimately, with Austria I gained an easy three-points in Turkey, that would be very easy to hold. With the back-entrance to Austria, he couldn't turn on me, as that would mean a full-on two-way war with both me and Germany, that he couldn't win. That would give me a secure ally and a clear front west. France had enough to do fighting Germany, and couldn't spare the units for an extra front in the mediterranean.
On the sideline, Germany kept saying, that I somehow had a part in the betrayal of the alliance, and threatened to assist on a war on me, should I continue on fighting poor, backstabbing Austria ;-)
11 Dec 18 UTC Haha nice. Makes sense.
11 Dec 18 UTC And for what it's worth, you both gave about the same speech. It was 50/50 on who to go with.
11 Dec 18 UTC Lol I thought France was thd... nice.
11 Dec 18 UTC really? what gave it away?
11 Dec 18 UTC ... And I almost, ALMOST went with Turkey out of spite. I hated siding with Austria. But Germany was growing very fast, and an alliance with Turkey would just have weakened Austria, ultimately benefiting Germany, that would have been able to take out France alone (as we saw), and would have no problem soloing in the eastern-European collapse.
11 Dec 18 UTC My goal was to establish a central alliance and expand outwards.

I threatened Italy and Austria that if one attacks another, I will help the attacked. With an exception of a small Austrian glitch, it went well.

Then I had to balance between helping Austria, but also making sure Turkey and Russia give him a good fight.

Which left England and France. At a certain point, when Russia didn't put a good fight against England, it was clear that between the two, the biggest threat is England.

Later on, once England was down, I had to decide between Austria/Italy and France. The east was a mess and France wasn't a very hard bargainer, so I attacked him.

The plan was to overrun France, and once he is beyond help, do the dash in the center for the 18th. However, France defended BRILLIANTLY, and it took me way too long. I didn't want to risk the 3 other players attacking me, so I wanted to draw.

Then came a lot of fears from both Austria and Italy, and a lot of tedious conversations about nothing.

The biggest surprise to me was the Russian moves in Spring 1901... I thought he is a newb and wanted to use it somehow (offered generous help), but he just crumbled away too fast.

Most of my communications were with Austria and Italy. England helped to turn against France. Sorry England and France, for deceiving you.

Great game, everybody.
11 Dec 18 UTC Good EOG, Baskineli. I didn't consider thd's defence, it was very strong. I find France is almost as hard to break as Turkey... and it makes sense that since Italy didn't move from the south it was very hard to smash in there.
11 Dec 18 UTC Never be sorry for great diplomacy. There were two times in this game (at least) where your words made me go against my better instincts and leave open some key opportunities for you to stab me. Both times you broke the line, and looking back that was my biggest mistake.

That and not being more measured in my conversations with you are my two biggest regrets.
11 Dec 18 UTC Yeah you attack in '04 and only take an SC in '07... not too shabby. Still that's pretty good considering you were cleaning up England had no southern support for a while.
11 Dec 18 UTC I had to be careful not to alienate England. But yeah, tactically it was a brilliant French defense.
11 Dec 18 UTC @Germany i know. Some of my moves at the start of the game were very dump from me...
11 Dec 18 UTC tobieee!!! My Russian friend again!
11 Dec 18 UTC I should have listened to you and not doing the thing what i thought what was right. Because i was clearly wrong.
11 Dec 18 UTC Both Austria and Italy probed about 2-way, and I didn't want to seem too excited about it. It's a miracle they didn't fight once Turkey was done.
11 Dec 18 UTC That move through Trieste to get back to Tyrolia was GUTSY
11 Dec 18 UTC Russia, was the move to Livonia at 1901 a misorder?
11 Dec 18 UTC ANDERS!!(for me it is a little bit strange to say 'Anders' because that is a real word in my language lol)
11 Dec 18 UTC Spring '07
11 Dec 18 UTC That fleet should have moved to GoB.
11 Dec 18 UTC It was the single most influential move in the game, in my opinion. It set up the dynamics with 5 of my neighbors.
11 Dec 18 UTC Yes. It was one of the most stupid misorder that happened to mo...
11 Dec 18 UTC Me*
11 Dec 18 UTC I think it's fair enough that you worked with Austria due to Germany being threatening. That is the fundamental issue with being Turkey. A powerful nation at the start, but nobody likes you
11 Dec 18 UTC (directed to Italy)
11 Dec 18 UTC Yes that is right
11 Dec 18 UTC I never like to play Turkey. Nobody likes you so you will be eliminated soon normaly.
11 Dec 18 UTC I made an early catastrophic mistake by mistakenly placing an army instead of a fleet in Naples. I really did not think, that I would come down from that.

And man, had I been able to hit Germany some place during this game (before definite endgame), I would have! It was so very obvious, that you just tried to take us for a ride with the whole alliance-thing! But the thing was, that we had to close down Turkey to turn, and then it was too late. But man, have there been many ideas on the table to take you down...
11 Dec 18 UTC Yeah i find turkey really tough. No one can really afford a strong turk at their back...
11 Dec 18 UTC And yearh, the only Turkey-thing I have made work is a Austrian alliance, where you can make a fleet/army split.
11 Dec 18 UTC The collapse of England was dreadful for me. My alliance with Italy would have had legs otherwise.
11 Dec 18 UTC Normally i like to play Russia, but i did make a mistake in the first move... And yeah, the game was already done for me at that point.
11 Dec 18 UTC Yearh, Turkey, that was definetly a factor! Had Germany stalled in his advance, I would have gone with you, easily!
11 Dec 18 UTC So me and Russia's clumsy orders cemented the game...
11 Dec 18 UTC Yep, it looks like that
11 Dec 18 UTC Ready!
11 Dec 18 UTC Ready? Ready for what??
12 Dec 18 UTC "It was so very obvious, that you just tried to take us for a ride with the whole alliance-thing!"

It was true in 1904, but once France showed such a fierce resistance, I was really aiming for the draw.
12 Dec 18 UTC Do you all want another game?
12 Dec 18 UTC great play germany. I tried to have peace with france but failed
12 Dec 18 UTC I'm up for it
12 Dec 18 UTC http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=233006

Password: solo
12 Dec 18 UTC I'm in!
12 Dec 18 UTC I'm taking a break from diplomacy, thanks though!
12 Dec 18 UTC But why is the game Rulebook press? :(
12 Dec 18 UTC I'm in. Also rulebook press is better, it makes diplomacy more important and it's how face to face games always go
12 Dec 18 UTC I really hate Rulebook press lol
12 Dec 18 UTC But i have to deal with it
12 Dec 18 UTC im in!

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Germany
Baskineli (100 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 58 D
15 supply-centers, 13 units
Italy
Anders Mårup (255 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 58 D
11 supply-centers, 10 units
Austria
foodcoats (614 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 58 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
England
Eric1984 (2107 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
France
thdfrance (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Turkey
Andyyy (250 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Russia
tobieee911 (55 D (S))
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
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