Finished: 16 Oct 18 UTC
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Pot: 210 D - Spring, 1912, Finished
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16 Oct 18 UTC Props in particular for Turkey for earning a spot in the draw.
16 Oct 18 UTC GG all.
16 Oct 18 UTC GG all.
16 Oct 18 UTC GG all.
16 Oct 18 UTC I think you should have had it Czech! Convoy to Gascony after the stab would have sealed it I think.
You were probably really kicking yourself when Austria let you into Tunis, and then got lucky your fleet survived and got kicked back out to MAO where you wanted it. :)
16 Oct 18 UTC Well done Austria for pulling that out. Was quite exciting.
16 Oct 18 UTC Yeah lol I thought I was really clever with that Tunis move, unfortunately he didn't end up having to destroy the fleet.
16 Oct 18 UTC I gave him a retreat path on purpose.
16 Oct 18 UTC Question for you guys: I figured my best shot was to stick with Eng and hope for a draw. Would any of you have played it differently? If so what would you have done?
16 Oct 18 UTC Sticking with England was good, but you want to make it harder for England to stab you and not lose to Austria. You knew that Austria could not get to 18 (especially with England holding Warsaw and Moscow), so you would have done best to fall back to guard Spain and Marseilles and let Austria bump right up against you there. That way, if England stabs, then either Austria has a chance to win instead (which keeps England from stabbing) or at the very least Austria can easily help defend you against England.
16 Oct 18 UTC We probably would have lost if The Czech hadn't been cooking his dinner and ironing their clothes at the same time. :)
16 Oct 18 UTC Thanks - again. (You've answered my questions before.) That makes a lot of sense - in retrospect I was wide open for a stab and didn't have much leverage to force a draw vote from Eng.
16 Oct 18 UTC I agree with cspieker. A couple of turns before the stab, I stopped trying to push any farther, and I was doing my best to signal that I no longer saw a path to solo victory for myself and I wanted to turn to containing England. I suppose I could’ve done more to make my intentions clear, but as cspieker pointed out, once you saw I was unlikely to get to 18 you would’ve done well to position yourself to keep England from winning if he stabbed. Turkey stayed alive by basically making it far too risky, given the threat of England winning, for me to try to finish Turkey off — that sort of strategy/thinking is a big part of the endgame. (Again, much as cspieker already said) England wouldn’t have gone in for the kill if he thought to do so might give Austria an opening to win.
16 Oct 18 UTC I do think The Czech still might’ve won this if we kept playing, but I’m grateful he let us call it a draw.
16 Oct 18 UTC This was my first live Gunboat game and I obviously have a lot to learn about reading what everyone else is doing. The play was a great learning experience but I think the feedback is even more valuable. Everything you guys have said makes a ton of sense and you have all helped make me a better player. So thanks for that and I hope to see you around!
16 Oct 18 UTC No, The Czech was stuck. We had a stalemate line that included Marseilles and Moscow, so I don't think there was any way he could get to 18.
16 Oct 18 UTC OK,one more question for Narrator: I didn't understand why you didn't send a couple of your extra armies to Turkey to put out that fire ... but thinking about your comments here I should have taken that as a sign that you were settling for the draw? And then if I had read that right I could have backed off in the Mediterranean and settled into a spot that would have made the stab a bad idea. Is that it?
16 Oct 18 UTC That’s pretty much right, rjlace. I had to back off of Turkey lest he sabotage my position in Sevastopol or something as retribution for trying to finish him off. I’m not sure where exactly you’d have been best off positioning yourself to deter a stab, but you’re right about that as well. And I see now that you’re right about Czech’s solo being out of reach, cspieker — I was miscounting, and thought that his retaking Warsaw could help put him over 18.
16 Oct 18 UTC Keeping a fleet in MAO would have made England less likely to stab.
16 Oct 18 UTC Yup. Live and learn ...

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England
The Czech (38134 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 30 D, won: 109 D
15 supply-centers, 15 units
Austria
Drawn. Bet: 30 D, won: 95 D
14 supply-centers, 14 units
France
rjlace23 (105 D)
Drawn. Bet: 30 D, won: 5 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Turkey
cspieker (15348 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 2 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
Italy
DRFrazier99 (65 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
Germany
Metamnem (1 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
Russia
bunp (122 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
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