Finished: 10 PM Tue 22 Jan 19 UTC
Featured Big Baller Ready Up Gunboat
2 days /phase
Pot: 2100 D - Autumn, 1920, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
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20 Jan 19 UTC now THAT was "Big Baller" game of gunboat. HOT DAMN I had a good time playing this game. Also, your Humble narrator, and rannjohnson, I don't recall ever playing before with you but I would play again and again, as it is absolutely a delight to play with players who know how to whittle down a draw in a gunboat game.

! (Russia), that was a very intense fight we had, and I was very impressed by how you overcome my brutal attacks only to come after my home centers and take them in 1908/1909. if Turkey had been willing to trust you longer, probably I would have been toast this game because you definitively outplayed me in our war.

rannjohnson (England), thank you for understanding that I was needed to form a draw with Turkey, or something to that effect, and calling off very long-running war in order to focus on other things. If you had not, I would have tried to throw the game to Turkey. It was quite, quite a game for me. I was down to just 6 centers and had lost 2 of my home centers, I was getting attacked by you AND Russia, but once Turkey attacked Russia, you gave me the space to recover, and I hope you perceive that it was worth it to let me stay in the game. I of course ruthlessly took centers from you so that you wouldn't be able to get strong again, but part of it was that I needed more army builds to form a true stalemate line vs. Turkey, and I had the sense that you understood that I was taking your builds in order to get more armies to fight Turkey with. I was worried that you would react badly and try to throw the game, but only a little bit because you seemed perfectly sensible (and I tried to communicate as much as possible with my orders that I was truly on your side; I hope that you were able to understand what I was "saying" or even if not, it worked out)
20 Jan 19 UTC Italy, so very HAPPY that you died after your ridiculous obsession with attacking France and ignoring turkey, just bizarre in my view.
20 Jan 19 UTC Fall of 1907, you intentionally gave up Ionian sea to take west med, idiotic.
20 Jan 19 UTC Wonderful game by all. I like how the final map looks like a tasty bowl of Neapolitan ice cream.

Apologies to Russia for not riding the juggernaut to the finish. I don’t know if I’ve ever played a gunboat game in which my ally and I operated with such a degree of implied trust. I believe my stab was prompted by a build I misread as threatening combined with a general sense that it was now or never if I wanted a shot at a solo. For what it’s worth, I was hoping in the very end game (after I was stalemated) to set up a situation wherein you and England could sandwich Germany without fear of a solo from me, but it quickly became clear that Germany was too big and you too small for it to be feasible.

Germany, England, props to both of you for working with me to bring down the draw. And incredibly good job (by you both as well as Russia) in setting aside your differences to get the stalemate line established. Germany got just the perfect number of armies necessary to maintain his line, and just in the nick of time—another turn and I believe I could’ve broken through.

France, thanks for trying to throw me the win. Alas, I fell just short of victory.

Italy, I get that you were rushing to get behind the stalemate line after you sensed that you couldn’t hold me back any longer. Many players would call me petty for retreating to take out of the draw after I was stalemated. Interestingly, I think I may have had a better shot at a solo if you’d been less suicidal—I could’ve perhaps taken Moscow and Warsaw before England abandoned his campaign against Germany upon seeing my rapid roll to 18 centers.

Lots more to say, but let me close by again thanking you all for a wonderful game.
20 Jan 19 UTC Your Humble Narrator, learning to play for smaller draws is an essential skill for draw-size scoring in Diplomacy in general and especially in gunboat. I don't think it's petty - I think it's part of a high-level game (knowing how to sneak into draws, and how to stop players from doing so). It adds a lot of interest to the hobby, because most games end in draws anyways, so fighting for smaller draws makes lemonade out of a lemon, in my opinion.
20 Jan 19 UTC Nicely put, swordsman.
20 Jan 19 UTC Turkey, Italy, never once, the entire game, tried to hold you back, he was racing to the other side of the stalemate line from spring of 1901
20 Jan 19 UTC Wow great game everyone. swordsman3003, what a battle we had in Scandinavia. Constant back and forth action. My builds in 1910 were originally aimed for you, but upon seeing that I had absolutely no chance to race Turkey to 18, I instead made a rush to shut him off in the Med. I was totally fine with you taking Denmark and possibly Sweden from me to obtain builds, but once you took Norway I began to worry. I thought you might try to knock me out of the draw as well and go 17-17 with Turkey. That's why I began shifting units and also took Brest from you.
20 Jan 19 UTC Italy didn't make the smartest choice, but it also didn't help that we were try hold Turkey to 17 centers and include you, France, in the draw but you just kept helping Turkey.
20 Jan 19 UTC Such BS, it was obvious that I would not be included in a final draw.
20 Jan 19 UTC When we were trying to hold Turkey to 17, you and Italy would have. But as soon as he pulled back he made it clear he wanted you two gone so there wasn't really any other choice.
20 Jan 19 UTC And I knew that as soon as he was stopped, he would pull back and i would be dead, all I needed to do was to make sure Italy died with me.
20 Jan 19 UTC And he did, yeah!!
20 Jan 19 UTC You’re exactly right that I would have pulled back upon being stalemated in any case, France. And clearly Italy wasn’t rewarded for his loyalty any more than you were for forgiven for your throwing me the game, so it seems like you made a perfectly rational decision under the circumstances.
20 Jan 19 UTC Correct, when faced with a relentless and irrational sustained game long attack by Italy, I did the very best that I could, to make sure he died with me.
21 Jan 19 UTC Rannjohnson, I understand and do not fault you for taking Brest. I only took Norway so that I would be able to block Russia from sneaking into the draw. I didn’t have any way of telling you that per se and was just going you would understand. Thanks for finishing the game properly.

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Drawn. Bet: 300 D, won: 700 D
16 supply-centers, 15 units
swordsman3003 (12662 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 300 D, won: 700 D
11 supply-centers, 10 units
rannjohnson (1361 D)
Drawn. Bet: 300 D, won: 700 D
7 supply-centers, 6 units
Tugster (8654 D)
Defeated. Bet: 300 D
peterwiggin (15100 D Mod (S))
Defeated. Bet: 300 D
Valis2501 (2057 D (G))
Defeated. Bet: 300 D
! (1339 D)
Defeated. Bet: 300 D
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