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Finished: 02 PM Wed 03 Oct 18 UTC
Private Death doesn’t discriminate
1 days, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 10 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
1 excused missed turn
Game won by swordsman3003 (12662 D (G))
22 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1901: Are you ready to play again as Austria? I can change which countries we are assigned to
22 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1901: Nah, it's fine
23 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1902: You should have moved Trieste to Albania so that you could pick up Greece if you wanted
24 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1902: Oh yeah, shoot
24 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1902: Is that all Albania is used for?
24 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1902: It seems as useless as Syria and Clyde
24 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1902: I was so sure you were going to cut Tyrolia lol
24 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1902: That’s the main thing it’s used for - going from Trieste to Greece efficiently. It’s a common misconception with new players that Austria should move a fleet into water just be because it’s a fleet

Albania is also a good spot for Italy to convoy an army into for a surprise attack

And turkey often has to get in there to take Trieste by force
24 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1902: Here’s how I reasoned the moves:
You were definitely going to move your fleets south because that’s why you moved them and built a second fleet
If you made a supported attack on Munich then I would get Venice
If you blocked me in Venice then I get Munich
24 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1903: Ohh that makes sense
24 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1903: Is it worth trying to kick you out of Venice or should I not bother
24 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1903: While it’s possible I could put enough reinforcements to control the centers permanently, that’s very difficult. It will be much harder for you to come back for German centers than Italian ones.

The main problem with my army in Venice is not that I have the center per se but that I can disrupt whatever you’re trying to do.
24 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1903: So it’s not a priority
24 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1903: No not really. Your priority has to be to secure centers you really need like Tunis, Munich and/or Berlin, otherwise you need to rush into a victory before you can be pushed back.

Because you got off to a slow start, rushing to victory is unlikely.
24 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1903: Haha I should have expected that
24 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1903: I didn’t think I’d get Norway either
25 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1903: It’s not a big deal for me to lose Norway because I am immediately going to take it back, since you don’t have any other unit in the north. Losing Sweden would be a lot worse since it means you’d be able to move to Denmark and maybe help yourself into Munich or Berlin.

Norway and stp are temporary. You can’t keep them forever like you can Munich or Berlin.

I also anticipated that there was no way you’d get to use 3 builds, so it was okay even if you took Norway, because I’d likely harass you out of Tunis or take Trieste or your army would stay in Trieste. I don’t need 3 builds to catch up because I’m ahead.
25 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1903: Would it have been worth the risk to not cover TYS at all?
25 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1903: It’s just a guessing game. If you didn’t cover it, I could have moved in. I correctly guesses that you would self bounce. You gotta think about the Yomi layers
25 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1904: But would it have been worth it
25 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1904: ?
25 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1904: Like the value of risking TYR vs the value of guanteeing that you capture the 2 centers?
25 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1904: Yeah
25 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1904: The value of capturing another center hinges on your ability to actually build a unit. I blocked you from moving out of Trieste so you wouldn’t have been able to build anyways. That’s all a very difficult valuation question. There’s not a clear answer.
25 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1904: It’s TYS because TYR looks like Tyrolia
25 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1904: So it’s opinion basically?
25 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1904: Opinion is a vague word, especially the way you are using it. If you mean, “reasonable minds can arrive at a different conclusion”, then yes, but that’s not a helpful description. There are some situations in diplomacy where only one move makes rational sense, but most of the time you are playing rock-paper-scissors. Would you describe your choice of move in “rock paper scissors” as an “opinion”?
25 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1904: “Opinion” is also a loaded word that people use to derisively mean “subjective” or “arbitrary”. This is unfortunate because an “opinion” can also mean “thoughtful judgement”
25 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1904: What’s wrong with subjectivity?
25 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1904: Niels Bohr believed in a subjective universe
25 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1904: I love Bohr
26 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: Well, most people have no idea what the word subjective might mean and use it interchangeably with “opinion” in the sense of “not true and made up”.

There’s a lot to subjectivity, but I want you to appreciate that the word “opinion” is a loaded word and vague. I advise you to use a word or words that have a neutral connotation and more precise meaning. I cannot agree that my choice of move last turn or your choice of move is “an opinion” because I don’t know that you and I share and understanding of what that’s supposed to mean In this context. I can agree that “it’s a tough call” or “you have to make up your mind for yourself” or “there’s no right or wrong answer”
I don’t know what you mean by “an opinion”, given how that word is used to unfairly disparage intelligent ideas all the time in popular discourse. It’s a sloppy word which implies sloppy thinking.

There’s no definitive best move in your situation. There’s just layers of Yomi. That’s how I want you to think about the choices.

Opinions aren’t necessarily something subjective. An opinion can be formed on something that is difficult to understand or to be certain, but still objective. “In my opinion as an engineer, the metal used in the construction did not have sufficient strength to hold the structure together”
26 Sep 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: You’re in pretty bad shape now. Before making your moves, think about my ability to get to the essential centers of Munich, Berlin, and Tunis on this turn or the next.
27 Sep 18 UTC Spring, 1905: Alright, this one is close to over now. You don't have a viable way of acquiring Berlin or Munich, I'll be in position to take Tunis shortly, and you can't depend on stp in the endgame.

We can finish it out if you want to, but I think it is more important to start another game and try again. I want you to reach a point where you can beat me on this map

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France
swordsman3003 (12662 D (G))
Won. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
20 supply-centers, 16 units
Austria
Aurelia (108 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
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