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Finished: 12 PM Wed 10 Oct 18 UTC
Early War
1 days /phase
Pot: 350 D - Autumn, 1911, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
09 Oct 18 UTC GG.

I gave up trying to solo after Russia and France banded together on the stalemate line. I kept suggesting peace while we worked to eliminate Italy and Turkey for a 3-way draw but I kept getting pushed back :(.
09 Oct 18 UTC Austria: In order for Italy to stay loyal to you during a Lepanto, you have to provide some help to Italy, to take part of turkey. I attacked Smyrna three times with 2 units, and each time, I needed a cut from Bulgaria, which was obvious from the map position, and each time, you did not give me the cut, you did something for yourself, support orders that were not even really needed.

this sent me the message => Italy, I do not want you to take out turkey, I just want to use you so I can have it all.

And sure enough, you went to Aegean, and still you did not help Italy take any Turkish SC, you tried to take yet another Turkish SC for yourself, giving none to Italy.

That's when I decided to destroy your fleet in Aegean. My thinking, was well, obviously Austria is never really going to help me, so I am just going to kill his fleet and help myself, which I did, and finally with my own fleet I took a Turkish SC.

And then you stabbed me, but look at the end, Turkey lived, because Austria had not helped Italy with the support cuts in Bulgaria earlier when Italy obviously needed them.

You cannot solo as Austria without turkey being totally dead. so help Italy kill turkey, actually help him, then stab Italy later, but it is better to kill turkey first before you fight Italy.
09 Oct 18 UTC Yes I was going to help you take Turkey, but Turkey was on the offensive for Bulg and Rum and I didn't want to risk not holding Bulg. I didn't want to move from Greece to Aegean leaving Greece undefended next to your fleet but you kept insisting so I waited until I could cover Greece with an army.

But by then you destroyed my fleet and I took that as a stab against me.

To be fair, I've never played Austria and lived past a few turns so didn't know what to do after :).
09 Oct 18 UTC my killing the fleet in Aegean, was not a stab, it was more having my fleet in Aegean in stead of yours, so I could write the orders I really needed! You may not have noticed but that same turn, Venice supported Trieste to hold. This is a gunboat message that my attack on Aegean was a tactical choice, not a stab, but you may not have noticed my support order to hold as you moved Trieste.

When an ally dislodges just one of your units, and supports you in other place, it's a tactical adjustment move, not a stab.
09 Oct 18 UTC that's pretty advanced stuff that many people do not notice though.
09 Oct 18 UTC a real stab would have had Venice attacking Trieste, not supporting it to hold.
09 Oct 18 UTC Yeah but you can be deceitful with that too :)
09 Oct 18 UTC Well okay, but I lost Venice doing what I did, had I attacked Trieste that turn I could have saved Venice
09 Oct 18 UTC Glad I helped save your ass, Tugster, lol!
09 Oct 18 UTC Thanks!
09 Oct 18 UTC Weeee
09 Oct 18 UTC No... It's sweeeeeeet

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