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Finished: 07 PM Sat 20 Oct 18 UTC
Featured Gunboat-781
1 day /phase
Pot: 840 D - Spring, 1926, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
19 Oct 18 UTC Good game folks. I didn’t think you guys were going to be able to beat me to Italy. France’s moves were critical
19 Oct 18 UTC I am kind of curious, what was the hold up on the draw?
19 Oct 18 UTC Russia, just move back to Greece, totally safe, and I will kill France in Tunis.
19 Oct 18 UTC Thanks for sparing me England!
19 Oct 18 UTC I wasn't sparing you, I was making sure Russia did not solo. Had I moved on you, you start attacking TYS, which is Italy's only support for Naples. If you cut support in TYS, then Russia takes Naples, and once he is on Naples, he gets Rome, solo.

My convoy to Greece, Russia, was asking you to move back to Greece, which you could have done, totally safely, then I am now safe to take Tunis, and you come right back into Ionian Sea, and it's a three way instead of a 4 way.

But I wasn't going to risk my 210 points for 70 more, unless if was safe to do so.
19 Oct 18 UTC Leaving Ionian open? Um, yeah, I never considered taht. But yes, I guess i had everything covered.
19 Oct 18 UTC just for one turn, you move Trieste to Albania, safe, Ionian to Greece. One turn. Then, boom I take Tunis, and you come right back to Ionian a the same time, and we suport ITaly all hold, and ut's a three way

But, what do you mean you didn't think of it?

I asked you directly to do it, with the huge big red arrow on the map. Those are diplomatic messages. And then you convoyed to Brest which to me, no fucking way am I moving out of Ionian. Then your next convoy was to Tunis, which told me, take Tunis, which I would have done, had you just puled back out of Ionian Sea for one turn.

Failed impossible convoys are diplomatic messages in gunboat.
19 Oct 18 UTC The hold up on the draw was my moving an army to Marseilles, so I could convoy it to Greece to tell Russia to move back to Greece.
19 Oct 18 UTC This is how I interpreted the convoys:

I convoy to Greece = "Please move Ionian Sea back to Greece"
you convoy to Brest = "No way, not going to do it!"
you convoy to Tunis = "take Tunis"
my reaction, was no shit, as soon as you back to Greece!

But perhaps, you do not speak failed red convoy line sign language?
19 Oct 18 UTC Yeah that's one of the most important ways of communicating in gunboat, especially in endgame situations. But it sounds like Ogion understood how these communications work in general, he just didn't see how to read the board to understand that you couldn't safely take Tunis.
19 Oct 18 UTC France played very well the entire game, and then at the end, he made himself part of the line to stop Russia, AND he gave himself the ability to throw the game, but he wasn't throwing as long as I stayed hands off, in fact he was sending me friendly messages the entire time, by supporting me to Ionian Sea, even though he knew I wasn't really going to do that move, he was sending me nice hellos each turn to make sure I knew he was on my side.

but France could have so very easily thrown the game, and Italy too. Another problem with very close draws like this, is the reaction of Italy if I kill France in Tunis. Some people will hang on and hope to be in draw, others react with, well, if they are going to whittle down the draw by killing, France, then I am next, so screw it, I[ll throw the game. so it was also possible for an emotional reaction from Italy, had I killed Tunis.

Which is why I didn't do it, with a Russian fleet in Ionian, but had he emptied Ionian, I would have done it, in fact, I think a 17-17 could have been achieved easily at that point.

But anyways, good game all!
19 Oct 18 UTC Gg. In hindsight I would not have attached Turkey, but at the time I felt I could help knock out Turkey with Russia and still hold a line since I hoped England would add some topside pressure. But I was wrong, and am grateful not to get knocked out.

Russia you were a machine this game. Nice job. Gg all.
19 Oct 18 UTC Thanks! Yeah. This was one high quality game across the board. May thanks!
19 Oct 18 UTC Actually, he could safely take Tunis given that I’d held in place for years. He could have moved at any time. England also missed I was supporting him into Tunis over and over maybe.

Abandoning Ionian is always risky and I believe I couldn’t abandon it safely.

Ionian cuts Naples, Apulia has to support Naples, Piedmont cuts Venice, and Tyrrhenian and Tuscany takes Rome. England wins
19 Oct 18 UTC *and Tunis and naples
19 Oct 18 UTC Between my analysis and Tugster’s I think the four way draw is entirely appropriate and the correct outcome here
19 Oct 18 UTC I never thought I’d ever say that about a four way draw
19 Oct 18 UTC Yeah ag 7433 I was super-duper pissed when you attacked me because I was just barely holding on; there was no way you were going to take any of my centers permanently, even if I held out vs. Russia instead of you. So i gave in to Russia to screw you over.
19 Oct 18 UTC Deservedly so. But I felt I had a better chance to remove Russia in the end game (with English support hopefully). Having a larger Turkey in the end is near impossible to break apart.

Good principle, but I didn't implement in a good way (or at all...)
19 Oct 18 UTC I think that was a pretty grievous miscalculation - in spring 1915 I don't see how Russia could be eliminated, especially if Russia gets all the Turkish centers.
19 Oct 18 UTC good game all.

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Ogion (4059 D)
Drawn. Bet: 120 D, won: 210 D
16 supply-centers, 16 units
Tugster (13048 D)
Drawn. Bet: 120 D, won: 210 D
15 supply-centers, 15 units
ag7433 (1987 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 120 D, won: 210 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
micha (1366 D)
Drawn. Bet: 120 D, won: 210 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
Fortress Door (1807 D)
Defeated. Bet: 120 D
Lord Bolton (583 D)
Defeated. Bet: 120 D
swordsman3003 (13181 D (G))
Defeated. Bet: 120 D
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