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Finished: 07 AM Thu 26 Jul 18 UTC
Private 2018 GBT - R1G80
1 days, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1911, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Hamilton Brian (760 D (B))
14 May 18 UTC Spring, 1901: Moderator: (ghug): Welcome to the 2018 Gunboat Tournament!

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01 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Moderator: (ghug): Paused until the 8th by request.
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25 Jul 18 UTC That was certainly a miserable endgame.

Faking we could have had a 4 way draw but you kept attacking everyone with the power to resist France. You threw away your chance at a draw for no apparent reason.
25 Jul 18 UTC Have to say, as Austria it is always good to see the hostile Italy go down.
25 Jul 18 UTC Congrats, HB
25 Jul 18 UTC Yeah, I'd say Spring 1908 was a pretty critical year. I was still somewhat working with Germany and Italy as I was looking at Russia as the bigger threat. When Turkey hit Italy and Russia in the autumn, that is when I had a lot more resolve and figured I'd make a run for it.

I wonder, in hindsight, if you would have disbanded Moscow instead of both Scandinavian centres, Russia.

Anyway, solos are hard to come by for me, so I'll take this one. Thanks for the good game!
25 Jul 18 UTC Hamilton, what makes you say that? Scandinavia was already indefensible at that point. The only chance we had to stop your solo was for me and/or Germany to get control of Munich or Berlin and set up a stalemate line. I was being pretty casual and thought we had a decent ability to set up such a stalemate line but Turkey continued to attack me for no strategic purpose. I assessed that Turkey was foolishly attacking me and there had to be a threat of French solo win to get him to stop, or possibly the game was already lost at that point.
25 Jul 18 UTC With my quick glance I didn't see it as indefensible. I'll look at it later, but I just saw Moscow surrounded by two fleets to the north and south. Now, given Turkey's builds and where they went the next year, your concerns were warranted.
25 Jul 18 UTC However, I don't know how many people were thinking it, but when I saw you at 8 centres in 1902, I really felt you were going to be the one to make a run for it early on. I was lucky I escaped the NMR during builds unscathed.
25 Jul 18 UTC In general, the stalemate line required to lock down Scandinavia is extremely difficult to form. In this case, forming such a line depended on 3 powers - Germany, England, and RUssia - coordinating without speaking to get into the appropriate positions. Do you, or even anyone else in this match, even know what positions are required to create a stalemate line that incorporates Norway and Sweden? The most common one runs down into Kiel, which we didn't have, and to be frank I think I've seen someone form that stalemate line only once in my entire career as a diplomacy player and it was by a single player in a press game.

So yeah, my conclusion is that the position was indefensible.

On top of that, to keep my Northern units, I would have had to sacrifice all my southern units on a turn after I had just been ruthlessly and irrationally attacked by Turkey. Why would I destroy all my armies when holding onto Moscow and warsaw are essential to me getting into the draw in the end?

I thought I started off the game strong, but honestly I think you have the wrong assessment of the relative strength of France and Russia in gunboat. France is -by far- the strongest power, and Russia is probably tied for Austria as the worst.

Russia and Austria can reach 8 and still end up ELIMINATED. Russia is not a solo win threat until Russia reaches like 13 or 14 centers.

By contrast, France can be a solo win threat at merely 9 or 10 centers because it is extremely easy for France to suddenly seize important centers and grind down the rest.

It's very clear to me that the other players in this game grossly over-estimated the power of Russia and attacked the crap out of me even though I was not at all a solo win threat because of how easy it is to just count centers and over-estimate the power of Russia, and I suppose there's just no way around that. Like Turkey kept attacking me long after doing so was going to suicide the game, so how can I possibly expect him to understand that France is the bigger threat before it reached that point.
25 Jul 18 UTC Regarding the stalemate line, was critical for me to get, and hold on to, Kiel.

Based on the stats in this tournament, updated a few days ago and not counting this game, your assertion of Russia might be correct.

G (4060) 5W 16D
F (3230) 3W 16D
I (2695) 5W 5D
T (2485) 1W 17D
A (2065) 4W 3D
E (1505) 2W 6D
R (595) 5D

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