Finished: 06 Jun 18 UTC
101 forever
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Pot: 707 D - Autumn, 1917, Finished
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Game won by xorxes (18675 D)
06 Jun 18 UTC Notice that I was attacking Trieste at the same time, had Germany stayed calm, all was well...
06 Jun 18 UTC and not cutting support for the hold orders on Munich either.
06 Jun 18 UTC but some people cannot stay calm in the end game, they react like irrational babies, and there you go! good games Xorxes, this one you got on me, last one was the other way round!
06 Jun 18 UTC Italy: while you're mentioning dumb moves....

England in 1904 went to Barents, gave up BOTH Norway AND north Sea, in order to take Stp... hmmmmm... Stp is always easy to get later, losing north sea is a massive disaster...
06 Jun 18 UTC Yeah, Germany way overreacted to that loss, but you could also have given Norway back after building that fleet. Neither of you was in any danger of being cut out of the draw if you didn't own Norway, so I'm thanking both of you for that ending.
06 Jun 18 UTC He had already given away England in one move of irrational tantrum. Of course, people that play like babies, don't have the maturity to comment after the game, eh?
06 Jun 18 UTC Sorry Italy,in hindsight I very much regretted that only very shortly afterwards. However, had I countered Russia's move against me the same turn, things would mot have turned out quite so disasterously for me at least. But I didn't, so it did. Hopefully a lesson for me in the future.

A bit unneccesarily salty there however, we can't all start out in the top 5% of the community ^^
06 Jun 18 UTC So far I have looked up someone's stats just to insult them after a game. However I will confess greedy play seems to be something I should work on doing less of.
06 Jun 18 UTC well. I’ve neen playing this for 25 years so I’m not exactly a newbie (there were long gaps so I don’t have 6000 points. But I disagree. And maybe tugster you can reflect and decide if you could have done something different yourself. I signalled so many times to try to stop you attacking norway. I confess I wasn’t thinking “oh he’s just trying to get an army into norway specifically to get a fleet to help me. And he’s backing away from turkey because he really wants a four way draw. No way is he trying to squeeze me between a juggernaut and France”. I admit. I didn’t think that but clearly you are saying that is the case. So I definitely misunderstood. But that also means you played the situation poorly. Sorry but that’s true.
I had four fleets. But two of them were tied up because of constant supported attacks on norway. And after you took norway look at the position in fall 1914 I was supposed to completely assume you were helping me with an army in Finland and Norway (what use are all those armies in the north) and I was supposed to vacate Sweden and expect you wouldn’t take it. Impossible and if you assume a player will do that you are wrong. We did not need an extra Russia fleet at the cost of tying up 2 of mine and having armies in Scandinavia. Plus it’s better to set up stalemate lines with the same person if possible. The right move was never to go to Finland. Maybe later after we got closer to a French solo I might have supported (invited) you into norway if a fleet was necessary. I hear arrogance that you were dictating the tactics in a super aggressive way

I’m not sure I even believe you didn’t have half an eye on the three way with tirleynamd me excluded.

As for capitulating. Yes. There was a degree of frustration. Frankly I thought Russia was one of these rank amateur newbies and didn’t deserve anything (sorry turkey) but also it is a valid tactic to capitulate. And if the person sees the solo then they back off. You didn’t!! Exactly as xorxes says, you should have given norway back. Second mistake. Then all forgiven and we set up a stalemate line.

Sorry buddy. But your wrong here. I say it in all friendliness. It’s only a game. And trust me I was more frustrated with you than you were with me.

Perhaps mistakes in both sides
06 Jun 18 UTC I just also looked at spring 1913. That’s when Russia moves to Finland. There is no threat of a France solo. None. But that stopped norway moving to Norwegian the next move and blocking France. Also you backed off Vienna and Budapest signalling intense aggression to Germany and full peace with France. The next move you made peace with turkey too. There is no way the moves of spring 1913 were anything except a power grab. Perhaps you were concerned about Germany getting too strong. But no way. There was no way I could get anything but a three way from the position in spring 1913. (Please look at it). Thats the move that gave France a solo. You were stuck with turkey. Would have been a simple 4 way. But you wanted more in spring 1913. My move to Sweden is all that stppped you stealing norway that next move. You know it
06 Jun 18 UTC Well played xorxes, good game. I was stuck in my little corner just trying to tie up some French units, not in the thick of things and just watching the real action. From that perspective, and by no means claiming to be an expert, the Norway move surprised me as I didn't see it accomplishing anything. Fun game though!
06 Jun 18 UTC The move to Sweden was actually so I could move norway safely to Norwegian next move to block france. (Not some guess you would attack. I really didn’t expect that. I thought your spring 1913 moves were extremely odd) So actually your moves gave Norwegian Sea and eventually the solo to France. That was the key point. Once France was in norwegian and my fleets we’re stuck defending norway and Sweden then it was all over
06 Jun 18 UTC I went back through the moves and don't see Russia's point. Germany had 4 fleets and was coming at me full force, France had no fleets in the area until Spring '07 when Germany was already 100% on my ass. Maybe if Russia had moved on Berlin in '04 I wouldn't have had to contend with his entire force? Of course by then I had determined I was on my own against Germany, so I went for St. Pete as he had me beat in other areas. I think my mistake was dropping Barents then instead of Ruhr, which failed in its mission to slow his roll while I recovered. After that I was doomed, it was just a matter of whether Germany or France took me out. Since Germany had more fleets I chose to oppose him and hope France went after him and not me. Of course that was just wishful thinking.
06 Jun 18 UTC England, I was going after Germany until you kicked me out of Eng. I never attacked you before that. You were doomed either way at that point so I don't blame you, but I wouldn't have taken you out before I had the upper hand on Germany if you had kept helping me instead of helping Germany.
06 Jun 18 UTC Yeah at that point I was down to two, so I was just trying to keep knocking people around and hope they got into it with each other.
06 Jun 18 UTC @Austria, you've finished 82 games on here, I've finished 50. But you're right, that was a bit petty of me, sorry.

I just get annoyed that it's so common for people to stab for 1 or 2 SCs and don't think about the bigger picture. It's things like that which make me no longer want to play.
06 Jun 18 UTC better get over that, this website is chock full of awful players.
06 Jun 18 UTC It is, hence why I'm stopping playing again.
06 Jun 18 UTC Nobody would ever win if everyone always played optimally. Even good players make bad decisions sometimes.
06 Jun 18 UTC Well Italy, thanks for replying and sorry for stabbing you. If it helps, I realized the stupidity of the stab almost right after I made it, sometimes I'm way too casual about deciding my strategy and put too little thought into it. However, these "awful players" should benefit you at least sometimes, right? I mean otherwise, as france said, it would be way rarer with solo wins at all!

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France
xorxes (18675 D)
Won. Bet: 101 D, won: 707 D
20 supply-centers, 16 units
Russia
Tugster (6643 D)
Survived. Bet: 101 D
8 supply-centers, 10 units
Turkey
joshbeaudette (1835 D)
Survived. Bet: 101 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Germany
grahamso1 (1181 D)
Survived. Bet: 101 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
England
Lord Bolton (289 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
Italy
nmpolo (2086 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
Austria
Hamp (19 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
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