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Finished: 09 AM Thu 12 Jul 18 UTC
Can this game work with genuine allies?
1 day /phase
Pot: 170 D - Autumn, 2017, Finished
World Diplomacy IX, Unranked, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
15 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [South-Africa]:it's not so much about friendship. I didn't know Libya before this game. It's about...well...diplomacy, early communication, and who you choose to ally with
15 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Quebec]:Sure, but a well timed stab is an important possibility and element. For myself a draw is a defeat.
15 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Oz]:I think people just NMR'd because it happens in a lot of games but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What 4 friends? Middle of nowhere? Um also you brought this upon yourself in multiple ways. So I should now attack the 1 country I'm allied with because you're nagging me? It's so funny how you want everything your way but when it doesn't go that way you complain for some pity, so good job right back at you kid.
15 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Oz]:There's plenty of game left for stabs, this world game is still in its earlier phases as it's such a long game. No one is halfway to even winning yet
15 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Argentina]:its a boring game now tho, unranked unfortunately takes the fun right out of it
15 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Oz]:Then why did you join? Also, it's just a game, a game is a game. I don't pay attention to details like points or rules. This is just something to do
15 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Quebec]:So true, Arg
15 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Russia]:I don’t want pity. I want to leave. Goodbye.
15 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Russia]:I’ll also point out that if you really are playing by these rules, what you did qualifies as stabbing someone who helped you after you requested help. An ally, in other words.
15 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Russia]:I frankly don’t care. It’s just a silly unranked game. But your attitude is appalling.
15 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Russia]:Also muted
15 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Oz]:How is my attitude appalling? I asked if you wanted to finish off a country. You agreed. Didn't realize we became allies. Also, what rules? I decided to move in the most beneficial situation I had. I wasn't going to sit here and support hold. Enjoy your pity party kid
16 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Quebec]:Since you asked, you are annoying, arrogant, and write like a 14 year old. I don't care, but I think that is what he meant.
16 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Oz]:So you're also apart of a one way road theory. Since you don't benefit or the plan doesn't go your way what is happening is wrong? Why join this game then if what can happen be a possible defeat? Sorry the stats speak for themselves and you clearly do care or you wouldn't be commenting. It's funny that you're trying to insult my intelligence but my success in this game is a he'll of a lot better than yours. I just do this for fun because it's a game and don't take it so seriously like you do. This is entertaining.
16 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Quebec]:I am a replacement player. I took over a lost position.
16 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Oz]:I'm well aware, you said drawing is a defeat for you so why join this game with such a bad position and long shot at a win?
16 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Europe]:I think we better do it by draw, we all bet for ten, on return, only get ten back even someone already lose, where the money gone. Why?
16 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Quebec]:I join losing positions because it helps the community and is a chance to learn.
17 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Oz]:Ok so it isn't pointless or a waste of your time?
17 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [India]:Unranked game Europe no one gets any coins out of this game.
17 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Quebec]:correct, never said it was
17 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Oz]:Sorry you said a draw is defeat. My apologies I misspoke there
17 Jun 18 UTC Spring, 2011: [Quebec]:NP :)
25 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 2012: [Western-Canada]:Goodbye, cruel world...
04 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [Oz]:Is it Monterrey or Mexico that is the SC?
04 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [Argentina]:You moved correctly; I believe it is Mexico. In full screen mode I can tell it is definitely Mexico.
04 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [Oz]:I felt like it was Mexico but even if I gained the SC, you would have dislodged it right away so I was always planning of bouncing to COP. Thank you bud
05 Jul 18 UTC Spring, 2016: [Argentina]:Fair enough and understood. No problem.
05 Jul 18 UTC Spring, 2016: [South-Africa]:Argentina, if Oz were to agree to withdraw from Antarctica, would you agree to finish off Quebec, and let an Oz fleet into the arctic to render aid in such an effort? It's just us now...I think it'd serve the 4 of us well to have an open dialogue to end the conflict.
06 Jul 18 UTC Spring, 2016: [Oz]:The biggest let down are the NMR's. Libya juat leave the game if you're going to leave us hanging
06 Jul 18 UTC Spring, 2016: [Quebec]:1) I understand if you all kill me before the draw. I always try to survive as a replacement player, but it is not always possible.

2) NMRs suck so much. That is why I replace.
06 Jul 18 UTC Spring, 2016: [Oz]:I agree and have the same thoughts
06 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [Argentina]:I agree with Quebec here. I think, that in this particular circumstance, there is no reason to punish a player that has not NMR'd and instead we should punish a player that has. Let us mop up the remainder of Europe and North Africa and call a separate but still valid 4-way draw.
06 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [Oz]:Playing off of a cell phone is hard
06 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [Argentina]:I know! I was actually moving for this particular game last weekend at a Panera Bread in the Midwest... never thought I'd make my way over there (although I technically own it)
07 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [Quebec]:I play on an Army base in the Central Pacific :) Ain't the internet grand!
07 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [Argentina]:Interesting! You told me that you were playing on GMT +12 and I was thinking either east Russia or Micronesia... now I know. Certainly one of the least populated regions of the world.
07 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [Oz]:Yeah I'm by Niagara Falls but I just play off my phone
07 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [South-Africa]:As this game is unranked, a four way draw is no different than a 5 way draw. I second the idea of finishing off Europe but object to actions against north africa. I will move to dislodge Libya from Germany so I can get to France and Italy. Is Argentina willing to let Antarctica stand as it is and agree to a truce? Will Oz agree to that?
07 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [South-Africa]:As this game is unranked, a four way draw is no different than a 5 way draw. I second the idea of finishing off Europe but object to actions against north africa. I will move to dislodge Libya from Germany so I can get to France and Italy. Is Argentina willing to let Antarctica stand as it is and agree to a truce? Will Oz agree to that?
07 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [Oz]:If it's unranked draws are pointless and we should play til the death. I'm good for whatever though
07 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [South-Africa]:In my opinion, that line of reasoning completely contradicts the very meaning of diplomacy. As Footvols is the only remaining new player, I hope that he/she will take away that lesson and reject the darker side of humanity that this online version of the game promotes.

Thank you, Libya, for rejoining us. Will you be around for the Spring round to move into Italy and make possible a five-way draw for this game?

Argentina and Oz, SA will consider the conflict in Antarctica at an end. I hope there are not enough turns left in this game for it, but I will cede the two territories (non-strategic as they are) back to Argentina should Argentina desire it.
08 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [Argentina]:I understand your rationale following Libya, but their radio silence still speaks volume. They may have returned to this game but I have not heard any of them myself and they do not feel inclined to speak up. It is hard to trust someone in this game, especially if they do not follow up with you or your allies. As a new player, it is easy to fall into the old player's intention but I find that difficult especially given the circumstances. This is a tumultuous time and we need transparency in this game to succeed and to follow through with this game.

Antarctica was a failed experiment on my part and I will be moving on to bigger and brighter things. I could care less about the territories I have lost especially to South Africa and I will not be pushing to regain them. My room to expand is stifled at this point but I am open to working together in order to achieve global unity.
08 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [Libya]:Yes, I will. My apologies, I have had a rough schedule in the last week
08 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [South-Africa]:When Italy is seized in the Autumn, that should pave the way to the draw. Libya has missed a few rounds and has been in contact with me in the past throughout the game. Thank you, Libya, for speaking up in global chat. Counting on you, buddy.

Argentina, Antarctica was certainly not a failed experiment. Your predecessor took territories in Antarctica to prevent successfully a player without honor from staining this game and its spirit.
08 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 2016: [Argentina]:South Africa, I mean as in for me as a player. I am not insulting RAGINGWOMBLE's idea to take Antarctica, oh no... All I am saying is that I did not do a service to the continent.
11 Jul 18 UTC [South-Africa]:Europe is gone. I've entered my Draw vote and would ask that we all do the same and bring this to a mostly amicable close.
11 Jul 18 UTC [Argentina]:Sorry guys; I drew last and a little late. Good game everyone!
11 Jul 18 UTC [Oz]:I would have smoked you all haha and I'm sure everyone thought it was me and my draw vote being held out on and I could have been the first to press it.
11 Jul 18 UTC [Argentina]:Yeah, I had quite simply forgotten.

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Oz
Kugs (1782 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 10 D
23 supply-centers, 22 units
South-Africa
LordNivlek (439 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 10 D
21 supply-centers, 20 units
Argentina
Magnetic24 (0 D X)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: D
19 supply-centers, 20 units
Libya
Footvols (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 10 D
17 supply-centers, 16 units
Quebec
yellowfin (143 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
India
FlaviusAetius (991 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Near-East
Favio (395 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
USA
andycandy (132 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
China
JohnWill (120 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Russia
Redrame (115 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Western-Canada
gneel (105 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Kenya
Absent (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Ghana
CharlemangeII (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Brazil
Penguinbowler (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Frozen-Antarctica
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Europe
Easyman (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Pacific-Russia
BIG MIKE (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
Link4720 (0 D X)India (Spring, 2010) with 2 centres.
Jewitt (100 D)USA (Spring, 2002) with 2 centres.
Cuck_boii (100 D)India (Autumn, 2006) with 3 centres.
Victoria (100 D)Near-East (Spring, 2006) with 2 centres.
holasoyJesus (289 D)Quebec (Autumn, 2006) with 7 centres.
spicyDoc (100 D)Kenya (Autumn, 2002) with 1 centres.
SardonicMartyr (100 D)Western-Canada (Autumn, 2005) with 7 centres.
RAGINGWOMBLE (100 D)Argentina (Autumn, 2011) with 19 centres.
psychedelic_lion (100 D)Ghana (Spring, 2009) with 3 centres.
Nott the Brave (100 D)Quebec (Autumn, 2000) with 3 centres.
Mikallein (100 D)USA (Spring, 2001) with 5 centres.
BananaBenson (100 D)China (Autumn, 2000) with 3 centres.
DIngDongTheNewtIsDead (10 D X)Frozen-Antarctica (Autumn, 2002) with 6 centres.
Bravardic (100 D)Kenya (Spring, 2003) with 1 centres.
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