Finished: 15 Jun 18 UTC
Private 2018 World Cup Group A PP
1 days, 12 hours /phase (slow)
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1913, Finished
Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Unranked, Wait for orders
Game drawn
14 Jun 18 UTC Italy: So you came after me because of my record, not because I was Turkey and you were Italy?
14 Jun 18 UTC I came after you because you asked me to leave Ionian vacant and I wanted to make sure Austria wouldn't let you get away with your similar demands regarding Greece. In general, I kinda like IT as an alliance.
14 Jun 18 UTC Interesting Ghug, cause I don’t remember getting any help on my press. If you have the time I’d love to know which parts you’re referring to... though I understand if you don’t want to give away some tell.
14 Jun 18 UTC Interesting Ghug, cause I don’t remember getting any help on my press. If you have the time I’d love to know which parts you’re referring to... though I understand if you don’t want to give away some tell.
14 Jun 18 UTC Damn I keep doing that all of a sudden
14 Jun 18 UTC Damn I keep doing that all of a sudden
14 Jun 18 UTC There were some bits early on where your misdirection suddenly got very blatant and CommanderByron-y, and times towards the end where I wanted to strangle chluke. You consistently talked though, so no Vash.
15 Jun 18 UTC Anyway, to be honest, I was very disappointed with the level of play in this game. I know that's easy to say when I was one among the minority that got eliminated, but perhaps you'll excuse me since this is the first press game that I've ever gotten eliminated in.

None of my invaders gained anything worthwhile from eliminating me and France never knew to position itself for a solo push. I won't hash out my verdicts again for each power, but suffice to say that this game would have ended sooner with a five-way draw had Germany taken very basic steps to preserve its armies. This is hardly a tournament-worthy result.
15 Jun 18 UTC I don't disagree. France's choice to move on me when he did basically ended any chance the game had of continuing to be fluid, which he was told at the time. I don't think it was the intent of any of us to split you and then do nothing for the rest of the game, but we had to start somewhere, and I think it became quickly apparent to all of us that working with Turkey would only serve Turkey.

You've been defeated in five press games though? And survived countless more.
15 Jun 18 UTC I stand by my argument that this should have very easily been reduced to 3 as Austria had ample opportunity to stab Russia without my solo particularly around the fall of Germany.

But, I appreciate the criticism of moving to secure my south... I am not sure I would have played it differently because I feel Italy had little choice but to turn on me soon if I had just moved north into Germany... but perhaps I could have gotten past the stalemate line that way... still, I will look back and try to keep it in mind in the future.

Of note - I didn't receive any advice from CommanderByron... so alas, I must suffer from his same blatant misdirection woes. As for chluke, he had no impact on the style of my press and I hope any feud between yall stays between yall...

GG again all.
15 Jun 18 UTC Oh, I don't dislike Byron or chluke. It just felt like them.

I agree that this could have been a three way, but your move basically ensured that nobody would ever solo this game, and I really hate moves like that.

There's definitely a possibility I would have moved on you, depending on how tangled up you got, but I don't think it was a given.
16 Jun 18 UTC ghug: "You've been defeated in five press games though?"

I used to take over a lot of minor positions in games back when PPSC was still around, hence why I was no stranger to negotiating from a difficult situation. There was also one game I rejoined at zero supply centers because I wanted to remember it. That game was going well before it was ruined by a serious bug (related to the one CD on my profile that never happened) where pressing the pause button immediately progressed the game to the next phase. I had negotiated pauses in a few games so I was the last to vote in each of these. In other games I was able to roll back the phase or there was otherwise no damage done, but in that game I took the mods' offer to be removed from the game and refunded my points plus a bonus for the good position I abandoned.

Anyway, this is in fact the first press game that I've been eliminated in that I played from start to finish. I've only been eliminated once before (a no press game).
18 Jun 18 UTC I waited to post again given the server migration.

ghug:
I'm sorry, but you're being hypocritical by insisting that France should have stabbed Germany around 1904/1905. France had little option at the time but to work with its ally. However, I left you with a clear path towards stabbing A-H and you failed to keep the game fluid.

"I don't think it was the intent of any of us to split you and then do nothing for the rest of the game, but we had to start somewhere, and I think it became quickly apparent to all of us that working with Turkey would only serve Turkey."
If "working with Turkey would only serve Turkey", that's because I made the situation one in which you all had no choice but to help me. Did you really expect that eliminating England and Turkey would keep the game fluid? You all voluntarily arranged your units and SC's along the traditional SW-NE stalemate line.
19 Jun 18 UTC Clearly you didn't make the situation such that we had no choice but to help you. I'm not sure I've ever had less desire to work with someone consistently through an entire game.

Someone's going to get eliminated first. That the game went useless shortly after was a result of choices the living players made, not who we elected to kill.

I count at least one other game with a defeat sand takeover, and numerous survives both in and out of takeovers.
19 Jun 18 UTC What game?
19 Jun 18 UTC "That the game went useless shortly after was a result of choices the living players made, not who we elected to kill."

Uh-huh. Well the only 'choice' you pointed to simply didn't make sense. France was absolutely correct not to stab Germany right as England was getting eliminated, as was A-H correct not to stab Russia near the end of the game. And yes, while you had the opportunity to stab Italy after my elimination (as before), you are right that that was risky.
19 Jun 18 UTC "Who was the czar?" -> I think I'm not supposed to reveal player identities as long as the other games are running. Happy to report back.
12 Jul 18 UTC So now that the games are over, who was the Czar?
12 Jul 18 UTC "I count at least one other game with a defeat san[s] takeover"
What other game, ghug?
20 Aug 18 UTC @JECE: the czar was DiplomatJD

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France
DrCJG (983 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
15 supply-centers, 14 units
Austria
thamrick (1076 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Italy
ghug (4049 D Mod (B))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Russia
zosch (127 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
England
Ursa (1310 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Germany
Tvdybgggh (175 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Turkey
JECE (1322 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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