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Finished: 11 AM Sat 18 Nov 17 UTC
1 day /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1913, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Tugster (13048 D)
17 Nov 17 UTC GG
17 Nov 17 UTC Hey Turkey, I can see wanting to set up a good defense and all, but in Autumn '10, why move to Eastern Med? The only thing that's good for is attacking me, and it tied up fleets I could have used to stop thr the win.
17 Nov 17 UTC Spring '10: The fleet at Greece support move to Bulgaria from Serbia.
17 Nov 17 UTC So no tactical reason, just spite?
17 Nov 17 UTC oh I'm sorry did me putting myself in a better defensive position after you signaled to cut me out somehow stop you from making tactical decisions elsewhere?
17 Nov 17 UTC well.. Let's see... Tunis = 18.

Who let me take Tunis? ITALY DID...

with proper defense, I should never have been able to take Tunis, yet, somehow I did, why? How? BAD DEFENSE from ITALY.
17 Nov 17 UTC in the fall of 1910, Italy had FOUR fleets in positions, yes FOUR. As far forward as GOL and West Med. How then did 5 or 6 turn later, France owned Tunis? BAD DEFENSE. Who caused it? Who wrote the orders? ITALY DID.
17 Nov 17 UTC you can settle down buddy
17 Nov 17 UTC Do you need a turn by turn blow by blow recap of all the bad tactical moves made from that point on?
17 Nov 17 UTC Sorry, just annoying to me when people blame their own poor play on someone else...
17 Nov 17 UTC Turkey, as I said, SYR-EAS isn't defensive; it's flat-out aiding the solo. It's your prerogative if that was your goal, of course.

I offered Russia a support because I've been in games where not doing so would have encouraged an impatient Russia to attack me. As soon as you saw that Russia wasn't going for it, and Greece SH Bulgaria in F'10, you knew there'd be no campaign against you and could have withdrawn that fleet without fear.

France, I apologize for whatever I've done to make you angry and shout. My defense collapsed because I pulled a fleet back to protect Greece. Without a signal that Turkey was committed to a draw (e.g. Bulgaria SH Greece), I took a chance. You would have vacated the eastern front and prayed Turkey wasn't short-sighted enough to attack? Even in an anon game?
17 Nov 17 UTC I fully own that I made the decision that cost the southwest, but based on the available info at the time I don't know what else I could have done.
17 Nov 17 UTC :)
17 Nov 17 UTC :)
17 Nov 17 UTC SYR - EAS is nothing, he never attacked any of your units, he never attacked any of your SC.

Of course, I would have evacuated the eastern front, it's obvious. France was a known enemy, trying to solo. Against a known enemy trying to solo, you hold the stalemate line, and you hope that the unknown, possible, maybe enemy, maybe not enemy, turkey, not able to solo, does the right thing, which he clearly would have. Even if he takes Greece, who cares, you disband non essential units on his front, not the French front, If he keeps attacking, then the solo is his fault, not yours.
17 Nov 17 UTC Better to hold the western naval front against France and let him have Greece, Greece doesn't matter.
17 Nov 17 UTC But Ty Sea cost you the game.
17 Nov 17 UTC look in the mirror.
17 Nov 17 UTC That's good advice about known and unknown.
What do you mean "look in the mirror" though?
17 Nov 17 UTC Almost everything that happens in this game is self induced, not everything, but almost. So, you, yourself, are responsible for what happens in the game.
17 Nov 17 UTC I believe I've already said as much, yes.
17 Nov 17 UTC I'm not just talking about this game, I'm talking about the game of diplomacy, in general.
17 Nov 17 UTC Especially in gunboat, every order you write, influences what other people do.
17 Nov 17 UTC And often people overlook this, the unintended responses by other players to things we do. It's where the real nuances come into play in gunboat.
21 Nov 17 UTC Yeah, it's a fabulous exercise in nonverbal communication.

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Tugster (13048 D)
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