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Finished: 11 PM Mon 09 Oct 17 UTC
live-247
15 minutes /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by lambda (2440 D)
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1905: We can all draw now, you know.
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1905: ok love England's point but this is 1905 not 2015
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1905: no use targeting Ireland Scotland Italy Portugal Spain or Greece yet
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1905: the economic gap between england the Mediterranean basin was huge in 1905, much more than today
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: I would argue between all of western Europe and the med
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: still a lot of really unproductive agricultural workers in most of western europe back then. england was way richer than germany as late as the 1950s
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: how does the game decide to destroy units for players in civil disorder?
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: It's random, I think, but if it was a retreat phase it just destroys the unit(s) that got dislodged.
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: that was a concern of mine early on too - same rules apply in terms of a CD NMR or a missed phase
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: the rules state that dislodged units which don't retreat must disband (the default)
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: retreating units which bounce one another are disbanded
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: i'm thinking about turkey - the sultan will have three units with only one supply center. but i was thinking it mattered when it doesn't, italy can take ankara without having to get an army over there
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: as for disbanding units which exceed the number of supply centers... those closest to the home centers live (by number of spaces away) if units are equidistant then the one in position lower In alphabetical order is disbanded I think
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: that makes sense
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: more exact rules and examples are in the rules section of the site (I think) if you want more
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: Can we just draw? This game is getting really boring.
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1906: no one can win except italy, and italy *will* win unless france turns on them. until he does no reason for italy to vote for a draw
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1906: how is it now boring? it was asked to end early on and then it came to now with only one nation voting to draw
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1906: well here comes the next point which I was going to bring up
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1906: france and I have been working together since turn one despite other countries' statements to harm us
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1906: and france clearly has no intention of breaking the alliance concluded on turn one, even though the situation has changed greatly. that's why italy's gonna win
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1906: Italy is going to be at 13 SCs soon, I mean with a few well-timed stabs he can win so Britain does make a point lol
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1906: there it is
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1906: So much for that alliance with Italy, France lol
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: perfect timing by italy; spain, por, and mar all italian by next fall
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: munich too
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: And Rumania and Ankara.
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: you can hold mun and ber
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: It's still one or the other and he's losing several SCs and one home SC, he won't be able to build fast enough to stop him.
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: i mean it was only a matter of time
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: you only need four armies to defend germany
09 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: france can't win but mun/ber is defensible
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: italy can you mark yourself as ready?
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: Sorry I am looking at all of my moves
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: I guess Italy has become the Roman Empire now lol
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: I'm sorry, I proposed ending early on but also worked hard to talk with almost all of you and strike back/against
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: i believe it was russia who made the argument that we shouldn't draw lol
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: so in a way i suppose austria did get his revenge against russia
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: At the time I didn't believe it was a good moment to draw, people weren't getting a huge advantage from Germany CDing
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: If you look at Italy now he didn't need Germany to win the game, that was mostly caused by France being too gullible and believing that Italy would keep his end of the alliance
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: france/italy alliance benefits hugely from germany being out of the game
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: I wouldn't call France the inly gullible one
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: It took a lot of work on my part to be a lying diplomat against both Russia and turkey too
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: god I feel so dirty
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: I was too boggled down by Turkey and I only had one nation to rely on
09 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1907: Though if I didn't NMR I would have probably held Budapest lol
09 Oct 17 UTC i wouldn't call france gullible either; the alliance made sense for a long time but should have ended when it became clear italy was going to steamroll all the way to sev/mos
09 Oct 17 UTC which was spring 1904, when france should have disbanded the retreating F ENG like I said and rebuilt it in Marseilles
09 Oct 17 UTC well it was a fun game
09 Oct 17 UTC gg everyone.

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Italy
lambda (2440 D)
Won. Bet: 5 D, won: 35 D
18 supply-centers, 15 units
Russia
Anneal (159 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
6 supply-centers, 7 units
England
Survived. Bet: 5 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
France
ofy (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 5 D
7 supply-centers, 8 units
Germany
ubercacher16 (180 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Austria
Sytosis (106 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Turkey
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
AmethystLynx (0 D X)Turkey (Autumn, 1904) with 3 centres.
ofy (100 D)France (Autumn, 1907) with 7 centres.
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