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Finished: 06 PM Mon 28 Aug 17 UTC
1 day /phase
Pot: 140 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Qacper (1122 D)
27 Aug 17 UTC GG Qacper.

I promise I tried.
27 Aug 17 UTC Good game Turkey.

Seems like most were oblivious to what you were doing and couldn't support each other to stop.

France could have supported my unit in Marseilles that I snuck through but instead did nothing allowing you an easy SC.
27 Aug 17 UTC i was trying to fight Turkey years, but France was totally and utterly clueless, summed up by the absolute idiocy of disbanding Portugal, when I could have held MAO and Portugal forever...
27 Aug 17 UTC as late as fall of 1909, Portugal and MAO were 100% safe, until France disbanded it in favor of .... Brest! ????
27 Aug 17 UTC and it was obvious as far back as 1906 that Turkey was going to solo, and I had to drive France out of England just to get fleets finally to MAO, with backup, which I did, only to see Portugal disbanded.
27 Aug 17 UTC actually as far back as 1905...
27 Aug 17 UTC and it was as far back as 1907 that I started my attacks on Turkey in the west med.
27 Aug 17 UTC Germany taking Scan was to build more armies, that I understood, but France... open your eyes man to an obvious impending Turkish solo, and the German and English efforts to stop it despite you're constantly trying to hurt us, for nothing.
27 Aug 17 UTC It was his third game, dont be so hard.
27 Aug 17 UTC Germany even understood my invasion of Holland to get a critical backup army into Ruhr, and Germany let me do that.
27 Aug 17 UTC Ok, sorry.
27 Aug 17 UTC Third game makes sense. Hopefully he will take the comments as a learning exercise and improve :)
28 Aug 17 UTC GG guys. Especially Russia. Nice idea and timing. Rest was actually already said.
Thanka France
28 Aug 17 UTC There was a turn I could have supported Marseilles, in hindsight. In reality, I was being attacked by England and Germany just as I was attacking them, and I couldn't spare the units. I disbanded my Portugal unit in a selfish attempt to make sure I survived the game. How can you possibly claim that that prevented a stalemate when turkey ended up with 19 SCs? They would have won anyway and St. P is clearly next.
28 Aug 17 UTC Or perhaps France wont learn anything from the experience and advice lol
28 Aug 17 UTC FRANCE:

Spring 1907, turkey poured FOUR fleets at you. I was desperately trying to get set up in MAO and you retreated to.... Gascony. when North Africa was open! if you had retreated to North Africa, I could have supported you forever there, Iberia would have been safe. When turkey POURS fleets into the west med, it's time to STOP the SOLO, because if he breaches through Gibraltar, he wins, which is exactly what he did. Gibraltar must be held at ALL COSTS, even if that means giving up SC elsewhere.
28 Aug 17 UTC but it was obvious as early as 1905 that Turkey was going to solo
28 Aug 17 UTC actually it was obvious in the fall of 1904! Spring of 1905, I saw this and started my efforts to stop the Turkish solo, but no, you moved to York..
28 Aug 17 UTC and he should never have taken Spain, but you disbanded that too in 1908 to keep a worthless Belgian army..
28 Aug 17 UTC Look, here is how the game works.

1) you try to win.
2) Once it becomes obvious that you will not win, you try to stop all others from winning, and especially you try to stop anyone from soloing.

So as soon as another player is enough a head of you , that you can no longer outpace them, you have to oppose them from getting to 18, even if that means evacuating everything else you own to do so.

Do you know how many points a "survived" is worth when turkey solos? ZERO.
28 Aug 17 UTC True, 1905 was the first time I tried solo. And it went bit too easy. If I am stopped there I would try armies north. But Russia played well, with quite a bright idea of counterattack.
28 Aug 17 UTC And stp would never fall, because Germany would have supported it, Stp can never be conquered long term from the south. it's a one directional SC.

So all we had to do to stop the solo was to hold Spain and Portugal, which would have been very easy to do, had you paid attention to things. even if Spain and Portugal were all your held and you gave away all of France, you would have done better. SPAIN and PORTUGAL were the only SC that mattered of yours.
28 Aug 17 UTC it was blatantly obvious that there was extreme danger of a Turkish solo in 1905, but also in 1905, we clearly had the means to stop it. Russia tried, Germany tried, England tried. France helped turkey win.
28 Aug 17 UTC Nice to read wise man analisys. Actually I could never have Spain and Portugal if played correctly. Then I will be stucked with Warsaw, trying to do something clever to get 18th SC. But really I would probably just voted draw then.
28 Aug 17 UTC my apologies for being hard on you, I've played this game for 40 years now, so I see things faster than others, but you do have to learn to look for these things, especially in gunboat.
28 Aug 17 UTC correct, you would be forced into a draw, if Spain and Portugal held firm. of course.
28 Aug 17 UTC 40 years? Nice. I have been playing just 10 years now. Mostly live games. Just starting my Web adventure. Much different game now. Players are much more agressive, as stab much earlier.
28 Aug 17 UTC Players are really bad with Italy now. I win with Italy all the time, the old school way.
28 Aug 17 UTC just look at the ridiculously idiot moves this Italy made.
28 Aug 17 UTC in less than three moves he single handed caused the collapse of both himself and Austria, both dead by 1902 essentially.
28 Aug 17 UTC By the way turkey, congrats on your solo. Look back at 1904 and 1905, you did not need to actually take Italian SC, sometimes, it;s better just to skip them and head for Gibraltar and use following forces to clean out Italy..
28 Aug 17 UTC attacking Trieste as Italy is so stupid. You gain +1 SC, but it costs you -3 to defend it, and Russia and Turkey pounce on Austria, and it's worse afterwards.
28 Aug 17 UTC I've gotten so annoyed as Austria, just about EVERY Italy attacks Austria and ruins their game, it's pointless.
28 Aug 17 UTC True, that nowadays Italy players sucks. Back when I was starting it was always Ionan + Western Med and keeping Venice and Triest as no attack area.
Yeah, I was considering going for Gibraltar at the very beginning, but it seemd that I can lose a year on Italy and still you will not be able to cooridinate.
Made some gamble and was a bit lucky :)
28 Aug 17 UTC Oh great... insulting.
Signs of a great mind.

Now please stop the spamming of what could have been and should have been. Everyone played the way the way they did. No need to replay everything.
28 Aug 17 UTC But also Austrian players does not understand the game. I was plaing Italy lastely. And I was attacked constantly by Austria, that was later swept from the board by Russia.
Just to short frame predictions of consequences.
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28 Aug 17 UTC The best way to win as Italy is to kill turkey
28 Aug 17 UTC Same for Russia and Austria, kill turkey first
28 Aug 17 UTC No need to replay everything?

So people shouldn't take the time to look back and see what could have been improved on to do better the next time?

28 Aug 17 UTC The dead guy doesn't want to look back, no surprise there

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Qacper (1122 D)
Won. Bet: 20 D, won: 140 D
19 supply-centers, 17 units
KansasBoyd (25 D X)
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6 supply-centers, 6 units
Tugster (13048 D)
Survived. Bet: 20 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
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