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Finished: 07 AM Mon 01 May 17 UTC
Private Liberals vs Conservatives
2 days /phase
Pot: 50 D - Spring, 2005, Finished
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
19 Apr 17 UTC Spring, 2004: Oh my bad, thought I had voted
19 Apr 17 UTC Spring, 2004: Jeff.
19 Apr 17 UTC Spring, 2004: Saving the best for last!!

I <3 NY!
19 Apr 17 UTC Spring, 2004: Odd that 5 people unpaused who haven't saved orders yet.
19 Apr 17 UTC Spring, 2004: 17 hrs, hurry up!
20 Apr 17 UTC Spring, 2004: Veo veo -- que ves? -- una cosita -- y que cosita es? -- empieza, con el V, ese V ese V ese V -- VICTORYYY
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: Seriously how can Georgia still be Liberal
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: Wtf is Quebec doing in Dominguez?
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: Liberal Atlanta is refusing to fall. Nice stab of Cuba, Quebec - bet he didn't see it coming.
I can only hope that this game will be indicative of US politics in 2020, with an influx of Mexican and Canadian immigrants turning the country over to the Democratic party.
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: Lol, Democrats are going to get annihilated in the 2018 midterms and lose the 2020 presidential election. They are the party of "no".
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: Better than being the party of Trump - that's got to be embarrassing to acknowledge.
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: I don't know anyone who is embarrassed by that. We have a President who is getting things done and who is Making America Great Again!
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: Indeed, there at e two drivers: presidential popularity and the economy. Trump is breaking records as the most reviled president ever already and there is little chance the incompetent Team Trump will manage to keep pace with the Obama economy. After all that record expansion can't keep going indefinitely and when it goes into reverse (which it will regardless of what Trump does) Democrats will hang that around the GOP's neck rightly or wrongly. Given the fact that Democrats are performing 20+ points above historic levels suggests a Democratic landslide in 2018 unless there is a big turnaround. I'm not seeing that happening. It could, because 18 months is a long time, but it might get worse too
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: Mexico is clearly going to solo.
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: Dems have A LOT of Senate seats to defend.
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: That is true. Gaining any seats would qualify as a "democratic landslide." Taking back the Senate in 2018 would involve winning Ted Cruz's seat in Texas! Not likely. The Senate is just way to unrepresentative of the American people for the people to have much hope of having their voices heard there
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: Unlikely that Ted Cruz loses deep-red Texas (unless we do have a Mexican invasion of voters), although when one of his Princeton classmates was asked why people dislike Ted Cruz so quickly when they first meet him, the classmate answered "It saves time."
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: To be honest, having strong Latino turnout and an energized Democratic base and a depressed Republican base would cost cruz his seat. Trump might be just the president to pull that off. Since Texas used to be part of Mexico there are naturally a lot of Latinos there. (Part of my family among them who have been in tecas since the 1530s)
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: Oh the liberal tears are going to be so juicy in 2018 :D I can't wait.
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: About as juicy as the are in this game. ;)
22 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: Very true.. sigh.
23 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: You like tears of joy? Ok. We'll give you that, then.
23 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: Btw texas thanks for giving me enough time to think about how to spend all these beautiful builds ;)
23 Apr 17 UTC Autumn, 2004: I think you mean Kansas Territory
28 Apr 17 UTC Cuba and New York are the first to call it like it is.
28 Apr 17 UTC Couldn't help but notice the Cancel/Draw votes from Cuba and NY, which we (Liberals) will take as a concede to the Liberal superiority (for this battle at least). If all the rest of the conservatives go along, then we'll declare Liberal victory and the rest of us will put in our Cancel/Draw votes to end it. With a 10 SC advantage, the Liberals are in a pretty strong position right now.
28 Apr 17 UTC Yes we are at that point I believe. Gg liberals.
28 Apr 17 UTC We have the best position on the map. Very, very strong. Whiny libs just can't see the real world for what it actually is.

Just wait until the end of this phase, and you may just become enlightened and wise. If you're not a conservative when you're older, you have no brain. ;)
28 Apr 17 UTC I thought i was older already. Just exactly how old do I have to get. Is it Trump-delusional old?
28 Apr 17 UTC I thought as you get older you become less extreme. As in, you change from a Socialist to a Liberal. I know plenty of old people who always voted conservative and were super racist and reactionary and then eventually they change their ways and say yeah, actually it IS important to be a good person.
28 Apr 17 UTC Yeah, we had some major missteps in communication, especially at the very beginning and the "very end" of the game, as it is now.

GG
28 Apr 17 UTC did you also set up some kind of group chat?
28 Apr 17 UTC If you don't mind, I'd like to draw. This was a great game on all sides, and I'l like to keep it around for posterity.
28 Apr 17 UTC We did have a group chat, which was hugely helpful and one of the more enjoyable parts of the game. I'd love to have more team games in future because being able to confer like that was really instructive

Rematch?
28 Apr 17 UTC GEORGIA STAYING LIBERAL!
28 Apr 17 UTC We had a group chat, yeah, but it was in Discord and it was a disaster because most of us don't use it regularly, which lead to lots of forgetting to check it.
28 Apr 17 UTC Wait a sec, who gets to declare victory? We have more provinces but more people live in provinces they control.
28 Apr 17 UTC I doubt they are in control of more people.
28 Apr 17 UTC I. Declare. Victory!
28 Apr 17 UTC I think we should do a round two
28 Apr 17 UTC yea just calculated it through, we're definitely controlling more people
28 Apr 17 UTC I would do a round two but if it ever happens there needs to be new sign ups...
28 Apr 17 UTC At least for my team..
28 Apr 17 UTC Proper respects to slypups on our side who I worked with most closely. Very thoughtful, the opposite of "sad".
28 Apr 17 UTC we could change map as well, how about modern diplomacy 2
28 Apr 17 UTC I would do modern diplomacy 2.
28 Apr 17 UTC It would have gone a lot better if we used Google Hangouts. It's actually a chat service and not some over-bloated gaming plugin site. Discord is so stupid.
28 Apr 17 UTC Thank you to everyone for participating in this experimental group game. As with Ogion, I too found the group conferring really instructive. It was frustrating at times when communications broke down or people checked in only very late in the round, but I definitely changed my moves multiple times because of great suggestions and insights from my teammates. Florida was certainly a challenge to hold while Mexico made our main surge with Cali help, but I pulled it off with help from the team.
I'd love to do another one of these - I'll post in the forums shortly for a Modern War II 5v5. If there is someone who you think didn't do well here and should be excluded from a future game, please PM me and I'll moderate who gets on the teams when I set up the game and send out the password.
28 Apr 17 UTC Thank you Slypups and the Liberal team. I know we don't see eye to eye politically, but I had a fun time playing against you all and despite team communication troubles, the game was enjoyable for the most part. I look forward to playing again. GG.
28 Apr 17 UTC Here's the new one, if you're interested in signing up:
http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=1473826#1473826

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Mexico
stranger (575 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
Peru
Ogion (3974 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
New-York
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Quebec
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Heartland
ND (879 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
California
c0dyz (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
British-Columbia
Hauta (1618 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Florida
slypups (1889 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Texas
Chaqa (4027 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
Cuba
mitomon (175 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
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