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Finished: 03 AM Fri 24 Mar 17 UTC
Reliable Classic
2 days, 2 hours /phase
Pot: 707 D - Autumn, 1906, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
22 Feb 17 UTC Autumn, 1903: Italy - all I can say is that there were legitimate and rational reasons for the way I played the North right that season.
I laid a plan that figured that I was going to lose one more SC either way - at STP or MOS. I couldn't defend both. So I would cooperate with Germany on SWE and then get him to help me on STP. That was the idea.
01 Mar 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: Has France stopped communicating with everyone, or only me? I haven't gotten a message from him in two years.
01 Mar 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: Same. Although I've mostly been mocking him for his idiotic decisions, so it'd be understandable if he just didn't feel like talking to me.
01 Mar 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: :)
02 Mar 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: Moderator: (Yoyoyozo): Since I'm overseeing this game, I've paused to prevent an NMR. If there are any objections, email the mods. I'll auto unpause when germany returns or in 24 hours, whichever is sooner
02 Mar 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: Yoyo - Im on a short cruise commencing in 12 hours time so can we let this phase go through and then have a 48 hour pause please?
02 Mar 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: I want to apologize profusely for almost missing this phase. For some reason, I thought I had until 8 pm tonight to put orders in. Thank you so much for pausing it, and I will be sure to be more careful with deadlines in the future.
03 Mar 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: Just in case it's not obvious - you have to vote Unpause.
03 Mar 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: I need a pause anyway for 2 days so I'll unpause only if I have confirmed access
03 Mar 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: The benefits of asking a mod to advertise your game for you! Thanks yoyo.
03 Mar 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: Zzzzzzzzzz - come on
05 Mar 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: Unpaused - thanks guys
06 Mar 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: waiting on France...
18 Mar 17 UTC Spring, 1906: Hello all,

I want to make my position very clear right now. I am not intending to solo this game - or even trying to. There is no real way I can realistically achieve this goal. My move south was made due to faulty reasoning and information on my part, and was made solely to ensure that Italy doesn't sets himself up to dominate the Altantic Ocean AND the Austrian centers.

In a sign of good faith. I am putting my draw vote up now. You all can decide when you want this game to end. I want to push back Italian growth in France (taking Brest, and probably setting up a line from Brest to the NOrth Atlantic, if I can make it possible. I also want to work with Austria to ensure that Italy isn't able to take over his centers.

Again, my draw vote is up. I leave the fate of this game in all of your hands.

19 Mar 17 UTC Spring, 1906: OK guys - so behind the scenes Germany is actually manouvring to take Brest and Paris, all while masquerading is the good guy, and threatening that he can pull all your puppet strings against me.

Let me be clear: Once he gets Brest and Paris - the only thing left between him and a solo is the UK centres - and that's assuming the rest of the East co-operate to hold the line, rather than squabble over crumbs.

The game hangs by a thread in Germany's favour. Do not allow the misdirection to draw your attention away from him, and remember the SC count, and the tiniest little fraction he needs to do to win.

Unite against the machiavellian Hun, and put his ambitions to the sword.
19 Mar 17 UTC That's all fine and good, but where's your draw vote, Italy?
19 Mar 17 UTC I'm also honest - I refuse to accept a 6 or 7 way draw. You need to be eliminated England.
19 Mar 17 UTC England and Russia are the only 2 that need to go - once they are eliminated my draw vote will go in.
19 Mar 17 UTC Italy please provide me a map of a possible German solo. I need two centers past Paris, Brest, Edi, and Liverpool, and that simply can't happen.
19 Mar 17 UTC You have multiple routes and you know it - in fact I would go so far as to say you are the only player with a chance of soloing at this point.
19 Mar 17 UTC You are a smarter man than I am, then. Care to inform me of one of these multiple routes?
20 Mar 17 UTC Nope - by the way everyone also knows I'll
Be dropping to at best 8 SCs while
You grow to 14 next phase so your attempts to paint me as The Bogeyman are pretty laughable.
20 Mar 17 UTC The fact you refuse to back up your words says a lot about you.

At most, if I wanted to solo, I could take Brest, Paris, Edinburgh, and Liverpool. That puts me at 16. Iberia is impossible for me to grab, due to Italian fleets, and I would need to build a lot more fleets to handle you.

Sevastopol is mostly out of reach (I can only place armies in Moscow and Ukraine. I would need Austria or Turkey to tap Rumania, or have Russia just leave it.

Vienna is the other center I would need to get. I would need your help to get into it.

Basically, a solo is unobtainable. Since I can't win, I really don't care about the size of the inevitable draw. You seem to be the only one stopping the game from ending (along with France, or some reason).
20 Mar 17 UTC that's great, so everyone agrees to a draw once England and Russia is out. Happy happy. Germany agrees becauce he thinks he cant win, the rest of us because we think he can win. It's what is called win-win =)
20 Mar 17 UTC Agreed
20 Mar 17 UTC I have an idea - we could not eliminate England!
20 Mar 17 UTC Not so great plan, although you know I love you man
20 Mar 17 UTC We will see how truthful Germany is by his stance on Edinburgh the phase - my bet is that he doesn't let France take it
20 Mar 17 UTC Since you don't want to draw, I have to play as if the game will continue. Letting France into Edinburgh would be terrible for me (I don't have the fleets to defend the NOrth Sea, it would be really annoying.

I will tell you right now I don't plan on letting France take Edinburgh. I never said I would let him. I just know my draw vote is up, but I will continue to play defensively and not allow anything bad to happen to me.
21 Mar 17 UTC Shows your true colours - Holding Edinburgh does nothing except prevent a draw. Your deceit is there for all to see.
21 Mar 17 UTC If you really wanted a draw you would assist the end of both Russia and England and get a draw the very next phase.

You lie and you are exposed. DEATH TO THE HUN!
21 Mar 17 UTC Holding Edinburgh keeps France from having access to the North Sea. That is important.

One of us has a draw vote up. It's not you. As soon as France pulls back from Edinburgh, so that I can take it, I will gladly do so. But I'm not going to allow France to take the North Sea, particularly after he has completely ignored all of my press since SPring 1902.

I want to draw. That doesn't mean I am going to do anything to help France
21 Mar 17 UTC well with everyone talking about how much they wanted to draw, I'm glad it happened. Looks like we all got what we wanted ;)
21 Mar 17 UTC oh wow I did not expect the draw to happen :)
21 Mar 17 UTC France and myself coordinated a surprise and tightly sequenced button press on the DRAW.

Mate what a bunch of lightweights all you Major Powers were in the end. All preening on the global about couldn't win and ostentatiously setting to DRAW, whilst you never thought there would be a Seven Button push. You never imagined the DRAW would actually occur it was just positioning and faking. And then France and England and me the minnows, get away with a DRAW, get just as many points as you flowers. Hah, sucked in. So much more Diplomacy to go in this Game but with you heavyweight pansies unwilling to do the hard work.
21 Mar 17 UTC Actually I pressed the draw button because I knew you would throw to Germany, so I took the draw instead of letting him solo as he surely would've done. Neither you nor Austria had the strength to prevent it even if you were so inclined.
So yes I pressed the draw button hoping you two would do exactly what you did.
You wrecked the game from the beginning you fucking turd.
21 Mar 17 UTC Hah - I laugh at your immaturity.
How naive to believe that one Power could "wreck the game", whatever that means.
21 Mar 17 UTC I mean, you were the only reason Germany was in such good shape, Italy. If you hadn't continued attacking me we could have stopped Germany from being in such a powerful position. We could have continued working together until you were in a far more powerful position.
You can't blame Russia for this, Italy.
21 Mar 17 UTC Ah crap. I was just about to take my draw vote down today, but I had a ton of classes today. Oops.

Russia, I have absolutely no idea what you are praising yourself for and criticizing the rest of us for. You engaged in the tactical brilliance of pressing the draw button when you had two centers. As soon as Italy put his draw vote up, I knew I had to take mine down. I just didn't have the time to open Webdip until now.

England was completely correct about my intentions, though. I knew I completely had a shot to solo, and was just trying to create an environment in which it would be a bit easier. Kind of figured Italy wouldn't want to draw with seven up, and I could position myself as the good guy. Looking back, I could have done it better, but it was a fun tactic to try out.

France, I have to ask, why did you ignore all of my press after Spring 1902? I am legitimately confused as to what prompted you do that, and it was quite frustrating.
21 Mar 17 UTC I became quite busy with other things, and I didn't believe for a second you weren't in league with Italy, so I didn't bother trying to convince you to stab.
21 Mar 17 UTC It was a good game all. I enjoyed playing with you all quite a bit. I'm not sure I had the tactical skills needed to actually get the solo, if I had taken down my draw, but it definitely would have been interesting.
21 Mar 17 UTC Actually, I really disliked Italy's press all game. I would have much preferred to talk with you then with Italy. Did I give off some vibes that I was pro-Italy?
21 Mar 17 UTC Looking back at my press with the Italy, the only time we talked a lot was when he accused me of cheating. So I was really annoyed when Italy was the one of the only other powers willing to talk to me come 1903, that I wasn't already hostile with.
21 Mar 17 UTC Obviously Germany had a VERY good solo shot, and much of that was because Russia played poorly. Instead of taking my offer of taking out Turkey and building he made the emotional decision to be angry with me and throw his centers to Germany. I never understood why and I repeatedly offered peace in exchange for stopping Germany. But no, you were dead set on giving Germany centers. And I didnt even lie to you until one turn where you again said I had to stab Italy for us to work together.
21 Mar 17 UTC And I didnt press draw "not realizing" all 7 could set draw. All 7 draw is much better than the other outcome: German solo.
21 Mar 17 UTC I'm mostly just miffed that France attacked me so stupidly. Neither of us profited from that, and I told him as much the very moment he turned on me. France, why wouldn't you listen? ;_;
22 Mar 17 UTC I reject your characterisation that I played poorly. Firstly, England attacked me from the get go - right. Problems in the north compounded with Germany blocking me in SWE.

So I had to make a difficult tradeoff to forfeit the north to survive in the South, which I pulled off - admirably some would say.
I didn't throw any SCs to Germany. He rode in as a white knight rescuer to help me against ENG, but then he turned occupier. Of course I was silly to ever trust him.
In the final reckoning, I pulled off an amazing escape from jail to coordinate a DRAW sequence with France. Ive thus acquitted myself well in this Game and noting that my points level are way below that of my fellow Players.
22 Mar 17 UTC Haha well played Germany - I knew what you were up to and knew Russia would throw to you again so that backed me into a corner on the draw.
My press was hostile originally because i thought this game was a set up when Russia threw the first times - but that changed once I realise he was
Just a plain dickhead instead of a cheating One.
my only regret was stabbing Austria through paranoia - was always tough coming back from that.

To France I kept going because I had no choice - I saw Germanys movecoming and believed you didn't so I acted. Just part of the calls you make
22 Mar 17 UTC Italy, of course you'd be frustrated. You spent five fruitless years trying to get into SMY or SYR, or whatever it was that you call what you were doing down in that corner (attacking ? It seems not. Feinting ? Fainting?)
22 Mar 17 UTC The smart thing for you Russia would have been to accept our offer to take one turkish center, get Gal disbanded as retreat and build at home. Turkey had been eliminated and you had stopped Germany from taking all three norhern centers. Instead you had your mind set that I was someone you had to work against, although at that point I had not once told you anything but the truth about my moves and thoughts. It really wasnt a very creative adaptive playing style, you had your mind set and you didnt change.

As an example of the opposite you can see that the last year me and Italy abandoned the plan to attack Turkey and I again wrote you with offers of peace. That is how you change when the circumstances change.

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