Finished: 11 Feb 17 UTC
Featured Classic - Slow Game/High Bet
3 days /phase (very slow)
Pot: 1750 D - Autumn, 1911, Finished
Draw-Size Scoring
Game drawn
09 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: If you trust him not to solo, then either he'll include you in a 2-way draw as he promised, or he'll get the solo and I'll get a survive.
09 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: I would just like to take this time to say that I would have voted draw, France.
12 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Thanks for the input England...

No idea what Russia is doing, hopefully he will come back. This may end up being a 3 way draw anyway!
17 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1909: I am here.. This could very well end in a three way, as two-ways are extremely hard if you're not E/T. For now however, Austria and I are exploring how much we trust each other. We've had a great alliance so far, would be a crown on our alliance if we can trust each other enough to two way and we've been discussing it all game.

Unfortunately I don't have a similar alliance with France, if I had, I would argue for a three way. France twice attacked me sneakily and unprovoked in 1903, costing me all of Scandinavia. The moves itself were great, no doubt, the necessity of them arguable (that's my personal opinion), as there were other options to solve the issue. Such moves cost diplomatic rapport.

I'm guessing France chose to throw to Austria as I'm the 'more points player'. This is why I usually do anon. Austria and I had/have equal solo potential, that makes it possible and interesting to actually play for a two way. I don't get the 'Austria has best ability to solo'.. I think arguably at the start of 1908 I had a better position, but who's keeping score? A/R for the win!
17 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1909: If you trust each other enough for the two-way draw, then it doesn't matter what I do. Either one of you will solo or I will be cut out of the draw. I have to pick someone to try to throw the game to. If Austria doesn't accept, then that's that. But maybe he will. You will only have so many turns before I no longer can change my mind about throwing the game as he could become unstoppable.

I think Austria had he better position and I like him more, and I think he is more likely to accept me throwing the game to him than you would have been, for exactly the reasons you have specified. I took a risk in eliminating Germany and Italy to end the game with a favorable draw, and apparently that was a big mistake because you are so bitter that I set you back in Scandinavia early in the game that you will risk your own defeat in order to eliminate me, so I think I picked wisely.

That's the risk you run by cutting someone out of a 3-way draw.
18 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1909: Ah, you like him better, now that is a better reason already.

Anyway, France, I feel you're implying I'm the one responsible for your cut out of the draw. However, it's Austria and me doing it together. I don't see Austria's draw vote up? In fact, I hope Austria doesn't mind I share this, we have the following agreement:
If either one of us starts to feel uncomfortable with how the two-way proceeds we will ask for an immediate three-way draw. So the moment Austria asks me to draw and puts his vote up, I will put the draw vote up and he will do the same vice versa (I hope ;) ).
18 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1909: I'm muting you and attempting to throw the game to Austria.
18 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1909: I don't believe you'll actually mute me ;)
18 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1909: Haha he did mute me. Nice that's a first for me, now I just need to a two-way draw of my list of things that I haven't done here yet.
08 Feb 17 UTC Hmm. Are you still around Russia?
I would really like this game to be done soon.
08 Feb 17 UTC Umph.. I'm very sorry for my NMR. Won't happen again. Lets finish this. I will also ready up.
08 Feb 17 UTC Congrats France on getting into the draw. I was hoping for a 2-way, but Russia is playing very strangely for someone who wants to draw with me.

Russia, if you plan on stabbing someone, make sure you remove your draw vote first.

What a bad end to what was a great game. Nice one Russia.
08 Feb 17 UTC Thanks for setting up the game France, and for inviting me. These high stakes games are fun, I definitely won't be doing another 3 day game though!
08 Feb 17 UTC Woweee what a long game- the last portion of this game took forever especially, since nothing was happening really.
Yeah you are welcome Austria and I feel like we had a great group of folks playing this game. Thanks for everyone for playing.

I agree, high stakes was a blast. I also agree that I definitely will never join another 3-day press game. Once you take into account retreats and builds....an autumn turn can take over a week!!!! Misery...

I wish you could set the timers different for the different phases.

I suspected Russia would attempt a solo in the end (not sure if he really attempted one here or just started neglecting the game....) because of how upset he was that I didn't try to throw him the game.

Anyways got the result I wanted, just took an extra....3 weeks??
08 Feb 17 UTC ahh, haha. I didn't realise there was much conversation between you two after you decided to throw the game to me.

I always suspected an attempt on the solo, you have to in these situations. If this was a stab, I just didn't to deal with another week or 2 in this game, so I called the draw.
08 Feb 17 UTC Hahaha.. you drawed. That's interesting. Well deserved for France who played a good game. No me taking rum wasn't a stabb at all. I kept my draw vote in, so no ambition to solo. Just keeping it balanced, although I had so little time this week I miscounted the sc and did not properly look at the position. I still had in my head that you could take lvp, Austria. I am pretty disappointed that I still didn't get my two way, I guess I'll try again next time.

France thanks for organizing. As a side note france, I don't think you should mute players as fast as you do. You can also just not answer, make sure you keep reading what someone wants to say. Its information and i formation is what this game is about. What someone is saying can change.

Again thanks for playing guys. Don't go for high points guys, get into high gr games, we'll played!
08 Feb 17 UTC I really wanted that 2 way vote too. I'm sorry you read the board wrong and felt that an attack on your ally was necessary. Please talk to me next time. I would have pointed out that we were in fact equal and this game probably would have finished in the way we wanted.
09 Feb 17 UTC I appreciate what you are saying Russia (I took the mute off of you now that the game is over), but I think muting someone can put strategic pressure on them, because it creates a communication crisis.
I don't think my tactic worked this game, but it had worked for me in the past. I don't think it hurt me here.
By going nuts and muting you and then making the suicide moves, i was trying to make it seem credible that I was throwing the game.
09 Feb 17 UTC And I really appreciate that you both thanked me for organzIng the game
09 Feb 17 UTC I didn't appreciate having my ass kicked, lol!

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Russia
MrcsAurelius (2999 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 250 D, won: 583 D
16 supply-centers, 12 units
Austria
twiddlestix (763 D)
Drawn. Bet: 250 D, won: 583 D
15 supply-centers, 12 units
France
swordsman3003 (6625 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 250 D, won: 583 D
3 supply-centers, 4 units
Turkey
sweetwatersam (8283 D)
Defeated. Bet: 250 D
Italy
jpuhrer (374 D)
Defeated. Bet: 250 D
England
Defeated. Bet: 250 D
Germany
Defeated. Bet: 250 D
Archive: Orders - Maps - Messages