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Finished: 06 AM Thu 25 Aug 16 UTC
Senatus Populus Que Romanus
1 day /phase
Pot: 200 D - Spring, 2007, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
09 Aug 16 UTC Spring, 2002: I'm confuse too. Maybe it was one of the countries that got defeated?
09 Aug 16 UTC Spring, 2002: Not necessarily in every game they are in.
09 Aug 16 UTC Spring, 2002: Yeah and just because they're a multi doesn't mean they're going to do well. If the two countries are completely disconnected they don't get any advantage.
09 Aug 16 UTC Spring, 2002: Or something like they have a second account that they operate independently of the first. I got locked out of this account for a while (asshole high school friends) and so I decided to just start a new one. Even though this one was unused at the time, my new account still got kicked and I got surly emails from the mods.
09 Aug 16 UTC Spring, 2002: But are you really sure you are you?
09 Aug 16 UTC Spring, 2002: Of course not. Who knows if that memory of the spider in the web from me or someone's kid.
09 Aug 16 UTC Spring, 2002: Maybe it was multi in different game?
09 Aug 16 UTC Spring, 2002: 'Ready' guys ?
10 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2002: gg Italy! Thanks for being a sport.
10 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2002: Haha "good" is a stretch but I appreciate the sentiment. Good luck to the remaining powers.
15 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2004: Guys, if you want to have a chance to prevent Egypt to achieve a solo, you have to stop the war with UK and Germany. After he takes Georgia and Rostov, the East frotn will collapse. And in Med, he has 4 fleets versus 3 and soon 5 with the one in Adr that will become useless there...

It is Sum of Square Scoring so it will not change anything if UK and Germany survive in the draw. But the forces you engage there cannot be used to stop Egypt. And they are needed.

( I fear that I talk for nothing but at least I would have warned everybody ;-)
15 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2004: Thanks for the sensible talk, England. In any event, the puppet has thrown off the chains of servitude. Death, no doubt, is in out future but life under such opression has proven intolerable.
15 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2004: Turkey, I wish you had faced your demons sooner. Now he's swallowed you alive.
15 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2004: Not quite alive. I'm actually 3/4 dead.
17 Aug 16 UTC Spring, 2005: Let's make things clear, Spain : !
17 Aug 16 UTC Spring, 2005: Hitler is shaking in his boots
17 Aug 16 UTC Spring, 2005: You are a little bit cynical, aren't you ? :D
19 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2005: Hitler commits suicide!
19 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2005: I am not sure to understand who is Hitler but congrats (by advance) to Egypt for his solo because I don't see who could stop him now. (And in any case, that's deserved.)
19 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2005: I certainly thank you for the kind words and vote of confidence but it certainly isn't over yet. Ukraine is a brilliant tactician and he has managed to sustain a constant attack without losing any units as yet.
20 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2005: You give me too much credit. I made a huge blunder in not protecting my rear and now I'm just fighting a losing battle. I also had a huge help with Turkey being a great ally.
20 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2005: Yeah, have to say three cheers to Turkey for being a good ally.

Tough spot to play between 2 strong countries. I've only played this map twice and both times Russia and Turkey have been hugely disadvantaged.
21 Aug 16 UTC Spring, 2006: Have to say I don't care for this variant. Poland at a huge disadvantage. Russia and Turkey disadvantaged. Not very well balanced. That said, Congrats Egypt
22 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: Hahahaha Ukraine you've got nothing
22 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: ??? You didn't get more -> your future is in the hands of Egypt.
And in case you would not know, in SoS scoring the winner takes all.
22 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: England and Spain both took over CDs relatively recently and should be happy with any points we get. Ukraine worked to build his empire for a lot longer and now he's throwing it all away out of spite. What a silly childish move. It's kinda funny.
22 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: I can't fight Egypt without Spain. Spain's unwilling to help. There's no point fighting a losing war. I'd rather lose quickly than slowly die away. And to echo England, Spain wont get points if Egypt gets his solo.
22 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: I may not be clear: 'survivors' do not get any point...
To get point you need to reach a 3-way draw.
And to reach a 3-way draw, nobody can make a solo :-)
22 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: ( written before reading Ukraine post - but I agree with him for sure. )
22 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: I'm not throwing it all away out of spite. My ultimatum to spain was just a last attempt at getting your help for a three-way draw which would would earn us points. Frankly I just didnt understand your role as Egypt's lapdog since you wont get points if Egypt solo
22 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: WHY!!?!?! ICELAND!!! NO!!!!
23 Aug 16 UTC Hey... Egypt and Spain voted 'draw'... Very smart. :-)
23 Aug 16 UTC Congrats guys. Very interesting game.
23 Aug 16 UTC Congrats Egypt and Spain. This was a fun game.
23 Aug 16 UTC Congrats to those who survived!
23 Aug 16 UTC and to TieDomi... love the username.
23 Aug 16 UTC Thanks Ukraine, and thanks Egypt for voting to draw. This was a fun CD to take over.
France, sorry I had to grab Iceland, it's beautiful this time of year.
23 Aug 16 UTC In all future games, I would suggest to any Turkish player out there, attack Egypt incessantly and right from the get-go. You may, just may, stand a chance. Well done Gents
24 Aug 16 UTC Apology accepted. Treat my subjects well.
24 Aug 16 UTC Turkey is a hard country to play.
24 Aug 16 UTC That was my second game on this map. The 1st I played Egypt and indeed I rushed on Egypt after finding an "agreement" with Russia and Ukraine. Most of time it is one or the other and Turkey cannot leave Egypt on his back. On the other side I don't think Russia and Turkey are interested to attack Turkey so they should appreciate an alliance with him.
24 Aug 16 UTC The 1st I played Turkey, not Egypt (sorry)
25 Aug 16 UTC I have to agree, I think Russia is worse off on this map than Turkey. If I were to play Turkey I would rush Egypt after making a deal with Ukraine.
25 Aug 16 UTC Egypt doesn't really have any real front to push on if not Turkey, there just isn't enough sea zones between Cairo and Izmir and Adana for a proper DMZ.
25 Aug 16 UTC This game in general isn't well balanced. Russia is definitely screwed, as is Turkey to a lesser extent. I've also never seen Poland do well. Italy is screwed in a more subtle way because even though Italy can expand early, they're surrounded by 4-5 other powers with few natural DMZs/stalemate lines. Didn't realize that until I played it. France is sort of the same way but less so. Ukraine, Egypt, and Germany always seem to do well from my experience.
25 Aug 16 UTC I like Ukraine for this map. It's a little diplomacy in the beginning but if you get past it, you have more of a chance to succeed. I always die when I play turkey or Egypt.
25 Aug 16 UTC I definitely wouldn't say it's impossible to play France, but I thought it was pretty tough.
25 Aug 16 UTC It is like Turkey and Egypt, France has to rush on Spain after negociating an alliance with UK.
25 Aug 16 UTC Not that the first guy out in this one is in a position to lecture, but there is no one right all depends on who your friends are. I've done game long alliances between France and Spain and in others, Turkey and Egypt. There is no pair that cannot be made interesting.
26 Aug 16 UTC That's true but some countries are easier to find an amenable partner, or better positioned to survive not finding one right away.

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