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Finished: 06 PM Fri 13 Nov 15 UTC
Classic Party-10
5 minutes /phase
Pot: 105 D - Spring, 1910, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
13 Nov 15 UTC WP all. Austria... whyyyyyyy
13 Nov 15 UTC Thanks for not holding that 1901 attack on Brest against me, France. :)
13 Nov 15 UTC You were the best ally a Turkey could ever gobble up
13 Nov 15 UTC Nice game
13 Nov 15 UTC I don't blame him really... I'm getting sooo sleepy yawn
13 Nov 15 UTC Yeah, good turnaround, I think when Turkey's getting big you're forced to make peace and break for the stalemate lines.
13 Nov 15 UTC I feel like everything hinged on that one misordered move that was supposed to be into the Western Mediterranean
13 Nov 15 UTC I changed my Fall 1901 orders to cover Brest and take Munich at the
13 Nov 15 UTC But Austria and I could have survived if he stuck around for 3 more turns and finished breaking the german line
13 Nov 15 UTC Austria was ridiculous. Also England was an idiot to not move north when Turkey was taking over the game. You should've been able to solo Turkey, but you messed up bad and wasted your opportunity from the CD gods (3 countries around you CD'd, WOW).
13 Nov 15 UTC Also, I feel like I forgot how to play at the St. Petersburg stalemate line. What did I forget?
13 Nov 15 UTC Last minute. The alternative, support attack on Belgium, would have been a disaster
13 Nov 15 UTC I did move north, but I made some big errors.
This is my first game in about 4 years.
13 Nov 15 UTC Lol, Germany, I was banking hard on Austria finishing his breaking into the German line, I had too few armies to capitalize either on his CD or the western triangle's lack of preperation.
13 Nov 15 UTC You can't hold STP as Turkey. You should've bolted to stab Austria ASAP. If you just moved lyon to med and support moved to Tunis you would have taken ti and the game would be over.
13 Nov 15 UTC Turkey, St. P cannot be held from the south. Barents Sea, Norway, Finland, and GoB make 4 attackers while Moscow, Livonia, and St. P itself make only 3 defenders
13 Nov 15 UTC The two reasons I didn't solo were Austria's random CD and that misordered attack on Western Mediterranean. Game was 100% perfect other than that.
13 Nov 15 UTC Ah, so it was a poor strategy. I'll do better next game.
13 Nov 15 UTC Why does it seem that all the important stalemate lines are easier to hold from the north?
13 Nov 15 UTC There was nothing to break. He took Munich and that was as far as he could have went. Playing the central powers in gunboat is so annoying, F/E always team up and Russia is either NMR, CD, or too incompetent to properly counterbalance.
13 Nov 15 UTC Even if Turkey had gotten Tunis (which was difnitely possible there for awhile), he still would have needed another SC from behind the stalemate line to get 18. He had Berlin briefly, which could have worked, but he was nowhere near cleaning up Italy yet.
13 Nov 15 UTC I was going to go with Germany, but you kept attacking me instead.
13 Nov 15 UTC We had an optimization breakdown on his last present turn, he held the line instead of taking my support into one-defender Kiel and unchallengeable Munich.
13 Nov 15 UTC Turkey, I could write an essay on all the tactical mistakes you made throughout the game. Just be glad EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY around you NMRd.
13 Nov 15 UTC Yeah, France is right. I couldn't have gotten any further without Austria lunging across the line as I'd counted on
13 Nov 15 UTC Germany, I actually welcome any extent of useful criticism; I'm always looking to improve. But I feel like we've made a good list of what I might recognize as mistakes already. Thanks for the game and what criticism I received regardless.
13 Nov 15 UTC Yeah, Tunis was another mistake, but I feel like I made that after I'd already lost my chance of breaking the stalemate line, Turkey had three fleets ready to assume positions
13 Nov 15 UTC You don't have to take any of Germany, it's a stalemate line. You take Austria, Italy, Russia minus STP and Tunis, all of which you were perfectly able to do.
13 Nov 15 UTC Turkey -- easy to draw with, very hard to win. Turkey had almost everything going for him and still couldn't pull it off. Yes, I agree with Germany that Turkey made some tactical blunders, but more important was the fact that England and I recognized the threat in time. By the end, it was 10 + 8 vs. 12... No contest, even in Gunboat.
13 Nov 15 UTC Germany, unless I'm missing something, those centers you listed only add up to 17. You still need one SC from behind the line (Iberia, Germany, or St. P)
13 Nov 15 UTC Well, yeah, that's by the end. Even with none of this criticism I was able to identify so many mistakes as I made them. In a game that contains misorders... I don't even think it's worthy of bringing up what Turkey is capable of in Diplomacy.
13 Nov 15 UTC Germany is certainly right that the central powers have a heck of a time winning in gunboat.
13 Nov 15 UTC Austria was going hyper-stooge, and being inexperienced I relied too much on him breaking through the German line.
13 Nov 15 UTC Yeah, I don't know who leaves their entire back uncovered against somebody with such a dominating lead (at the time).
13 Nov 15 UTC It really is the best scenario possible for Turkey to either draw or win. A friendly Austria who also hates Russia and Italy for 1901 aggression.
13 Nov 15 UTC Not that this game was very standard after the NMRs from my neighbors and misorders by myself.
13 Nov 15 UTC Don't beat yourself up too much Turkey. A lot of it comes down to Turkey's build sites being so far away from the stalemate line, and as Turkey your builds very much telegraph your planned direction of attack
13 Nov 15 UTC I managed to mess up my orders on the very first turn.
13 Nov 15 UTC I'm aware that it's the 6th best nation for wins from Richard Sharp. But it's rare that I do so well with it. I have a hunch that my Spring 1901 opening is actually pretty alright, however suboptimal.
13 Nov 15 UTC As early as 1902, Turkey's 3 fleet builds tipped me off to there being a clock on me to mount a defense of the Western Med.
13 Nov 15 UTC England, I'm guessing you meant to order army to Wales then? You bastard :D Not even taking North Sea as England is so grovelingly pro-German
13 Nov 15 UTC Like I said, I haven't played in a few years. But I certainly didn't want my army next to *neither* of my fleets.
13 Nov 15 UTC Yeah I noticed that and I thought, that's even crazier and less threatening than my opening.
13 Nov 15 UTC It almost paid off... I thought England surely wouldn't try to steer his fleet unsupported into Brest. :D
13 Nov 15 UTC I do sometimes try to make strange moves to keep people guessing. :) The attack on Brest was mostly because my Spring moves left nothing better for that fleet to do.
13 Nov 15 UTC At least now I kind of remember how to play this game. :P
13 Nov 15 UTC I suppose I should thank Turkey for being threatening enough that France couldn't afford to take me out.
13 Nov 15 UTC Turkey just acts on instinct I think. Austria's extreme devotion was the only incentive to act somewhat human.
13 Nov 15 UTC It felt so good playing the hero and ramming into Russia and Italy full force

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Turkey
StraT^ (350 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 35 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
England
Zybodia (355 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 35 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
France
Amwidkle (4403 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 35 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Austria
ThatBuhlLarry (130 D)
Resigned. Bet: 15 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Italy
Bigboybomb (67 D X)
Resigned. Bet: 15 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
Germany
AR47 (100 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Russia
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Civil Disorders
ThatBuhlLarry (130 D)Austria (Autumn, 1908) with 4 centres.
Bigboybomb (67 D X)Italy (Spring, 1909) with 1 centres.
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