Finished: 09 AM Fri 11 Sep 15 UTC
Featured Silent Hill-4
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 6685 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by josemurc (29156 D)
10 Sep 15 UTC Good gameeveryone, but man Germany, what the fuck is your problem? Way to fuck it up for everyone.
10 Sep 15 UTC What a mess. Congrats jose, well played. Russia, you can't blame Germany for trying to survive.
10 Sep 15 UTC First of all congrats to France for the victory !

Russia, I don’t play for others but for what is best for my game, as opposed to what you did by offering to France the victory on silver platter, but I will get back to that later …

Russia you never casted a Draw vote and were constantly attacking England; it was a matter of time before England would have fallen down and then I would have been caught between you and France and probably my SC would have been divided between the 2 of you and then, more than likely, go for drawing the game between you,F,I and T or you,F and T.

In that context, my exit plan to Livonia was to ensure my survival and being part of the Draw. Even with all my SCs, France would have been too short to reach all 18 SC …. If you had withhold your lines of course ….

At the moment, I was expected you to cast a draw but you didn’t and you decided to chase me and to eliminate me setting the table for France to win the game
Look at the map in Autumn, 1906 before you decided to retreat your units to chase me instead of stopping France from advancing. What is the point for me to get more SC than 1 as I cannot spawn any additional units? Whether you have 1 or 17 SCs, the sharing of the pot is the same in a case of a Draw, sorry to tell you that but you are the victim of your own stupidity ...

So Russia, what the fuck is your problem !
10 Sep 15 UTC it has been a good game.
it´s only a game, and it´s not good to discuss about it when it is finished.
All of us have played games where one player won before the other players were capables to coordinate a right defence.
So, this is the flavour of a no in game messanging, isn´t?
10 Sep 15 UTC France, I kind of disagree with you, even if the game is a "no in game messaging" it doesn't mean that a debriefing should be done at the end, it could be a way to learn something and become better for next games to come ...
10 Sep 15 UTC @Germany why have you been offering to France the victory on silver platter constantly from spring 03 till the end. What did you do any better then Russia regarding the matter?
10 Sep 15 UTC @England:
I totally disagree with you ...

I was facing you and France at the same time since the beginning of the game, I tried to reshuffle the alliances. I made the choice to try making France joining me by attacking you...but it didn't pay off; but at that moment of the game, France was far from reaching 18 SCs.
Moreover I called the Draw as you did but we haven't been followed by Russia, if he did so it would have been very different ...

The main difference is that in spring 03 France had only 5 SC whereas when Russia decided to massively retreat chasing me in spring 08, France has already 14 SC which is more closest to 18 SCs that when France had only 5 SCs
10 Sep 15 UTC It's your failure if you haven't realized in spring 03 France have had an open solo road. Good players should see it,no matter how many units a solo threat power has in a certain year. With your retreat to York you gave the solo to France,everything else after that point is irrelevant.
10 Sep 15 UTC Again I disagree with you, the Solo road could have been avoided as explained before.

You may be the only good player in this game to foresee the Solo road as soon as spring 03 as no one else called the Draw at this specific moment of the game ...

but I think I called the Draw a couple of turns after before you did it yourself :-)
10 Sep 15 UTC I know you disagree with me,otherwise you wouldn't retreat to York and give the solo to France the way you did it in this game. You see the result now and I saw it five years ago. That's the only thing we disagree on and you can take a look on this final picture which looks excatly like you wanted to "paint it" with the strategy you are elaborating here.
10 Sep 15 UTC Of course I wanted to remove England before the draw - had I been able to grab his lands, there would have been fewer players left in the draw, and more points for those of us who were left. Had I put up my flag it would have been pointless anyway, since France did not either.

As for chasing you -- you gave up your home SC to instead take one of mine. If you're willing to do that just to screw me over, you HAD to be removed, or who knows what other trouble you'd cause.
10 Sep 15 UTC England:
You are making comments based on the output of the game whereas I think the Draw was reachable anytime from year 04 to 07...

It's like a chain of responsibilities implying people being part of bad output , who else to blame ?
The first person at the first stage of responsibility and discharge all the other persons who could have made the thing not happening or the last person at the last stage of responsibility who could have made the thing not happening and discharge all the others ones ? I think the last person has a better idea of the output (as closest to reality) of a situation that the ones implied before him ...

You did yourself vacant Edi giving it away to France, can you be blame for that ?
10 Sep 15 UTC I'll end the debate from my part by telling you again the French solo is all your's.
I'm in no mode to elaborate it for too long.
Just ask yourself what was the plan with Yorkshire. I know it wasn't one but you can ask yourself again about it. No chance of gaining anything but 100% possibility of loosing everything you had. So the manuevar tells about itself how much you understand gunboat.
And to answer your question (unlike you mines) -The first person at the first stage of responsibility and discharge all the other persons who could have made the thing not happening. So please cut the crap about Edinburg,can't you see from the board I've played in France favour the whole game after that point. Do you read past orders?

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josemurc (29156 D)
Won. Bet: 955 D, won: 6685 D
18 supply-centers, 15 units
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jmbostwick (2244 D)
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