A Beginner Friendly game

baltazor7, NunaEtsuko, LittleItaly, Droid, Qalu, shalomchair, SaladinSmith

03 Aug 15 UTC	Spring, 1901: Moderator: (A_Tin_Can): I swapped Austria and Russia, and Italy and Turkey. Any messages you have from Austria are from the old Austria.
03 Aug 15 UTC	Spring, 1901: Ah okay, thanks a lot for setting this up ATC.
03 Aug 15 UTC	Spring, 1901: I am curious to know why players save their moves then wait? Perhaps they are in discussion with other players and need a reply before committing, but that seems odd when it's the first move.
03 Aug 15 UTC	Spring, 1901: In my case, I never set my moves. The previous Russia did. At the time, it made sense to wait on the possibility of our countries changing before advancing to the next turn.
03 Aug 15 UTC	Spring, 1901: Ok, now I'd like to hear back from some other players before I finalize my moves, just to make sure I'm moving in the right direction. Incidentally, another reason I've seen players save moves but not finalize them is because they think they might miss the next turn if it occurs too soon. Though that's more likely to happen in games with short turns, not games with three day turns.
03 Aug 15 UTC	Spring, 1901: And might I add, although again not in this situation, that someone might have just saved their moves because their orders might depend on whether another player (usually neighbor) is actually going to play in the round or not.
07 Aug 15 UTC	Autumn, 1901: We're just waiting for France to finalise orders, you know you need to hit READY? If you have a problem we can discuss, it's a learning experience after all.
07 Aug 15 UTC	Autumn, 1901: Thank you for the offer Droid.
10 Aug 15 UTC	Spring, 1902: I have a question please: Is there a way to surrender or what is the proper thing to do if you find yourself in a loosing position with no real chance to come back? Do players leave a game, if so how and what happens?
10 Aug 15 UTC	Spring, 1902: You can leave a game by not submitting orders for two phases, I think, but it's not a good idea because it inconveniences everyone else in the game, and it hurts your reliability rating.
12 Aug 15 UTC	Autumn, 1902: Moderator: (A_Tin_Can): Saladin's answer is technically correct, but note that it's considered bad etiquette to give up on a position and stop playing. You're never completely dead until you completely eliminated in Diplomacy - I've seen players come back from only 1 supply centre to go on to win with 18.
14 Aug 15 UTC	Autumn, 1902: Folks, Another new joinee wants to have a game with Beginners. Here is the link where he has expressed interest. http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=1288447#1288447 I don't think I will join another game, but feel free to join that game if you would like.
28 Aug 15 UTC	Autumn, 1903: I think we lost Turkey.
28 Aug 15 UTC	Autumn, 1903: Draw/Cancel and begin a new game with shalomchair or someone else?
28 Aug 15 UTC	Autumn, 1903: Sure, if you guys like.
28 Aug 15 UTC	Autumn, 1903: I have casted my votes because I will probably be off for a lot of hours.
03 Sep 15 UTC	Spring, 1904: I think we should atleast play till 1905 to get an early game experience. I can agree to Draw/Cancel after that. Otherwise, I feel that this game would kind of be wasted. And after a lot of organizing and stuff, if we cancel the game before even reaching a respectable middle game, then it kind of denies a learning experience Imo.
03 Sep 15 UTC	Spring, 1904: Can you explain the DRAW button
03 Sep 15 UTC	Spring, 1904: It votes for a draw. With enough votes, the game is drawn, and everyone left alive splits the points. Usually people do that when there are only two or three people left alive though.
03 Sep 15 UTC	Spring, 1904: LittleItaly, you are right of course. That's why I suggested to begin a new one with the same (almost) "roster" as soon as possible. Exactly because of the nature of this game. And hopefully, play that one until the end...
05 Sep 15 UTC	Spring, 1904: Here is a question for you about orders: If you support a unit to hold and that unit moves but fails to execute the move, bounces, does the support order resolve and stand or is the order incorrect because the supported unit has a move command and not a hold command?
06 Sep 15 UTC	Spring, 1904: If you are supporting a unit to hold, and the unit moves then the support order fails. Regardless of whether the move was successful or not.
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: Mods? Were we not eliminating anyone, and voting for a seven-way draw? I seem to remember someone saying that, and I figure this is the time to get clarification on that, before Turkey is eliminated.
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: Italy said previously no draw should take place before 1905 and I agree, we've only just started the game.
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: Yeah, but should we be keeping Turkey alive until then? I seem to remember someone suggesting that this be a no-elimination game.
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: You lost me there, I don't know how you can have a game where no one loses, so someone gets eliminated or more likely several players. Turkey is gone, he is dead, deceased, he is no more... except if there is some kind of miracle!
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: You lost me there, I don't know how you can have a game where no one loses, so someone gets eliminated or more likely several players. Turkey is gone, he is dead, deceased, he is no more... except if there is some kind of miracle!
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: You lost me there, I don't know how you can have a game where no one loses, so someone gets eliminated or more likely several players. Turkey is gone, he is dead, deceased, he is no more... except if there is some kind of miracle!
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: You lost me there, I don't know how you can have a game where no one loses, so someone gets eliminated or more likely several players. Turkey is gone, he is dead, deceased, he is no more... except if there is some kind of miracle!
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: You lost me there, I don't know how you can have a game where no one loses, so someone gets eliminated or more likely several players. Turkey is gone, he is dead, deceased, he is no more... except if there is some kind of miracle!
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: You lost me there, I don't know how you can have a game where no one loses, so someone gets eliminated or more likely several players. Turkey is gone, he is dead, deceased, he is no more... except if there is some kind of miracle!
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: You lost me there, I don't know how you can have a game where no one loses, so someone gets eliminated or more likely several players. Turkey is gone, he is dead, deceased, he is no more... except if there is some kind of miracle!
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: You lost me there, I don't know how you can have a game where no one loses, so someone gets eliminated or more likely several players. Turkey is gone, he is dead, deceased, he is no more... except if there is some kind of miracle!
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: You lost me there, I don't know how you can have a game where no one loses, so someone gets eliminated or more likely several players. Turkey is gone, he is dead, deceased, he is no more... except if there is some kind of miracle!
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: You lost me there, I don't know how you can have a game where no one loses, so someone gets eliminated or more likely several players. Turkey is gone, he is dead, deceased, he is no more... except if there is some kind of miracle!
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: You lost me there, I don't know how you can have a game where no one loses, so someone gets eliminated or more likely several players. Turkey is gone, he is dead, deceased, he is no more... except if there is some kind of miracle!
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: You lost me there, I don't know how you can have a game where no one loses, so someone gets eliminated or more likely several players. Turkey is gone, he is dead, deceased, he is no more... except if there is some kind of miracle!
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: The messaging in throwing a wobbly... wobbly...wobbly
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: I think the site might crash before anyone gets eliminated, that would be a shame.
06 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: Don't worry I reported the messaging problem so someone is on the case.
07 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: I was thinking of leaving Turkey alive. But him going into CD means that he is disinterested in the game, so waiting for him makes no sense right now. So we can draw this game after Turkey is eliminated, or we can continue after that. Depends on what everyone wants. I would prefer to continue, since I haven't played Italy before and this is the first time I made a Lepanto happen. But a draw after 1905 is something that I can agree upon, regardless of whether we decide to eliminate Turkey or not.
08 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: Is Baltazor7 (England) still playing here?
08 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: Well he visited four hours ago, so if he is not entering moves purposefully then he will go into CD too. Regardless you should ready your moves Nuna, since if he orders he would ready his moves too I suppose.
08 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: Well that's the problem with this game.. I can't be sure of my moves if I don't talk to him so I'm hoping he'll come back and tell us what's going on with him, if he'd like to continue playing or if we should just consider him out..
08 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: Everyone, I am deeply sorry for missing last round. The last few days have been unexpectedly crazy. I have to clarify that my NMR was in no way intentional or strategic. I will have to get around and try to communicate with certain players as it is needed, and I will post my orders as soon as possible.
11 Sep 15 UTC	Autumn, 1904: so the plan is to draw it sometime during 1905? Then we can start another one if people are interested?
18 Sep 15 UTC	Hmm, Idk what does England and Germany want to do?
18 Sep 15 UTC	I voted a draw. This game is so slow and very boring, I don't think I have learned anything here and I would just like it to end. I will never join a slow game again, 24 hours for orders is easily long enough. I encourage everyone to vote for a draw and escape this drudge of a game so you can all go join a proper game. I've got one starting in 5 hours if we get two more players and another as soon as we get three more players, so go join one of them...please, it will be much more fun.
18 Sep 15 UTC	The games are Crossing Europe and it's a long time coming, second one is anonymous, small bet to join, points per supply centre, 24 hour moves. We just need a few more players.
18 Sep 15 UTC	Yeah I am bored too, everyone is stalling the game needlessly.