Finished: 11 PM Fri 17 Apr 15 UTC
Classic -6
12 hours /phase
Pot: 210 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Michael.Lumley (426 D)
01 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1901: Hi France. Can we agree to keep EC as a DMZ, for at least the first year?

Also, are you interested in working together longer term? That can take two forms: either you and I co-operate against Germany; or we form a triple E/F/G alliance and you quickly move on Italy.

Thoughts?
01 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1901: Oops. That was meant to be a private message to France. Damn, now everybody knows the plan...
03 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Why did Russia's fleet make it to Norway? On the big map the English fleet in the Norwegian Sea shows a convoy order from EDI to NOR - so shouldn't the Army at EDI have bounced that fleet from NOR and kept it in STP?
03 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Read the convoy order again...
03 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Oh, you're right. Annoying mistake - that fleet could cause problems if not dealt with.
03 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Yeah, stupid mistake by me. My excuse is that I was entering orders on my phone late at night after a long drive followed by several drinks on an empty stomach after getting to my parents place!! Not great, sorry, but better than a CD.... :-)
06 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: For everyone's convenience, I'm going to go ahead and keep us on our regular schedule and not finalize my orders so that people don't accidentally miss a turn. Sorry for the delay, everyone.
07 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1904: That's really not a convenience...
07 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Sorry, I just wanted to make sure no one missed a move as a result of an unexpected change in turn processing time.
08 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Generally speaking, the way that result is best achieved is by each player checking in on the game at least once in each 12 hour period.
14 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: Alright, enough of the private chats.

Germany is heading nicely for a solo in this game. France and Austria -- instead of helping eliminate England and Turkey.. .which just so happens to play directly into Germany's plans .. it is time that you protect yourself (and yes, me, I will admit it!) from Germany's ultimate solution.

Remember, this is a winner-take-all game. If you finish second, you still lose.

Time to put a check on Germany.

France -- show some backbone and finally stand up to Germany. They don't want to draw with you.

Austria -- stop leaving yourself so open for the obvious looming stab. Germany doesn't want to draw with you either.

Turkey -- good luck... you and I are just hanging on to survive.

Germany... good game, well played.. but I prefer a draw to a defeat... :-)
14 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: To paraphrase England: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuBRk6tjiUQ

; )
14 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: lol
14 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: Hahaha
14 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: Hahaha
14 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: lulz
14 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: Yeah, I guess that about sums it up... :-)
14 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: England - to your credit, you're very good tactically, and you've made England a true bitch to invade. Now, thankfully, I have some help. ;)
14 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: Well, that could have gone better, but all in all better than I had hoped/feared. Should be an interesting end game. Good luck everyone - I had to try! ;)
14 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: The worst part about your stab is that England was right :(
14 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: Well, honestly, I was tempted by the draw, and it might even have been the strategically "right" decision to make. Plus I like you and Austria, and I don't really feel good about breaking the alliance.

But ultimately, this is going to be a really interesting, high stakes campaign for all three of us, and it should be hella fun to play. And that's why we're all here, right?
14 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: It's by no means guaranteed that I will win this.
14 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: if i was a betting man, id bet on you germany, but you are right it isn't a guarentee at this point.

And yea, I can't be too mad, I shoulda protected myself a touch better, and this is why we play. High stakes, desperate fighting. Should be fun... i hope :P
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: The difference between the equanimity in global and the utter freakout in our direct press is striking, Austria. Watch Germany's victory, and learn the drawback of calling people names, leveling pointless ultimatums, and stabbing too early.
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: My only commnt is that I think it is still NOT too late for you to kiss and make up austria / turkey. Germany is on the cusp of a solo, and I am for sure done in this game. But I think the rest of you can pull out a draw if you really truly start working together. If you can, then good play is usually rewarded and you might get prevent a German solo . If you can't put your differences aside, then Germany will get the solo (also good play, grudgingly admitted aince he stabbed me early, the bastard...
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: :-)
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: PS. France. Get your freaking fleets out of the med to the Atlantic, which is the only place they matter!
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Ank to arm
Con to bla
East med to ion
Tyr to west med
Austria do your same thing
Next year either Sev or rum falls.
Get it together guys.
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: it is too late. I've tried for too long to work w/ turkey; he (or she) is completely impossible to work with. One shouldn't have to plead to the point of utter frustration to get someone to act in their best interests. Sorry UK, you deserved better. You too france, but this game is over. If Turkey had worked with me in Spring 1909 we could have put up a helluva fight. I tried. I'm sorry.
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Austria -- explain how exactly Germany makes it to 18 if we all work together from now forward, please.
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: 1. Working together requires at the BARE MINIMUM not actively distrusting your partner. My closest partner would be turkey, who is less trustworthy than the Grand Ayatollah of Iran (or Bibi if anti-Israel is your thing). The last 2 turns Turkey has actively worked against a draw. Why should this turn be different?
2. I'm losing 2 units. I can't hold the front by munich and vienna while pushing rumania back. Even with turkey FINALLY helping to push back, Germany will continue to push me back.

What units do i lose? If i lose my two fleets, how do I trust that turkey isn't still butt hurt and trying to defeat me b/f germany gets a solo? If I lose anything else, I can't stop germany.
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Austria -- neither of us has held faith with the other, but we can hold a draw from here, so let's bloody do it.

England -- I hear your call!

France and Austria -- let us now put bygones behind and see to the defense of our respective homelands. As fate has it, you must each disband this turn. You each have units in my sphere of influence that, I'd humbly submit, have been the chief cause of discord between us. Furthermore, these units will be of no use if Germany is not stopped immediately. Please rid yourselves of these units so I can get to Black Sea and Armenia and we can complete a united front. We can together muster enough forces to repel the western assault; the highest priority is holding the line and sending all available fleets west.
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: I MOVED MY UNITS AWAY FROM YOUR TERRITORY AND INSTEAD OF MOVING INTO THE BLACK SEA YOU TAKE TERRITORY AWAY FROM ME!!!!!

In a calmer tone, the hypocrisy of you complaining about our units menacing you is ludicrous. The chief cause of discord at the moment is your complete lack of trustworthiness and general dishonesty. Even in our private chat, you have taken my comments out of context, then used those comments as a pretext to get upset and not work together. I have yet to hear a remotely compelling reason for trusting you now. (and no, then idea of having no other choice isn't compelling b/c i don't believe it will matter, b/c i don't trust that you will hold up your end of the deal, Turkey).
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: P.S. Germany, I hope you get a HUGE laugh at the utter inability of the rest of us to get our act together and oppose you in a unified front. This has to be going better than you could have possibly hoped.
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: To make things simple and clear, here will be my next moves:

Build: A Smy
Spring 1910: Con-Bla; Ank-Arm; Smy S Ank-Arm; Bulg Hold.
Fall 1910: Bla S Arm-Sev; Arm-Sev; Smy-Con or Ank; Bulg Hold. OR, if we can get our shit together, perhaps Bla S Serb-Rum; Arm-Sev...

So there it is. Austria, take it or leave it. Believe it or disbelieve it. But that's my play, so choose yours. (Unless someone has better move ideas to suggest, of course.)
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: fine. i'll take you at your word, but if your moves vary at all this spring, i'm done with you.
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Good. Thank you.

I assume an army's the right build, and that even with three disbands, we'll have enough fleets to keep the west closed. But if others see this differently, let me know.
16 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: keep the army; one it lets me trust you slightly more (less threatening to the adriatic); two i doubt you can get the fleet there to matter much. just my opinion; if im out voted (or if UK thinks otherwise) i'll cede to their wisdom.
16 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1910: Yeah, one of the big advantages that the solo player has during an attempt is the fact that there is no need for trust or coordination. Even if Austria had held, I'm not sure you guys would have gotten the fleets to the West fast enough, but certainly the contentious relationship between Turkey/Austria helped. If I had taken Liverpool then I only needed one more center. I'm pretty sure I can hold Paris, which means Bre should also be an easy 18th SC once I retake EC.

I got lucky in a lot of ways to be able to make this happen, but it was an enjoyable game, everyone! Hope there are not too many hard feelings!
16 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1910: Well, I tried. I'll end the game quietly now, and save my diplomatic efforts for other games. :-)

Congrats Germany.
16 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1910: i actually had destroyed my two fleets by turkey and went to bed; but i couldn't go to sleep b/c i felt that even if we started to push germany back turkey would be the one getting stronger and that he would feel no qualms about crushing me before settling for a draw. So in the end i felt better about germany winning a solo and destroyed my two armies accordingly. I just couldn't trust turkey. Sorry UK, you deserved a better final struggle.
16 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1910: You're right about Bre, Germany, but we could have retaken Rum had Austria not self-immolated. Anyway, well played; you deserve the win.
16 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1910: You guys are hilarious. Good game everyone.
16 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1910: Germany, how about a ready up so we can end this thing in the next day or two?
16 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1910: Sorry - didn't realize I was the last one. Let me check over orders and I will end.
16 Apr 15 UTC Well, assuming that I get the last SC in Austria this next turn, I guess England will at least get the "survive"
16 Apr 15 UTC Credit England, who really did play a very good game, as did all of you.
16 Apr 15 UTC Good. It's deserved.
16 Apr 15 UTC Viva la France!

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Germany
Won. Bet: 30 D, won: 210 D
19 supply-centers, 15 units
France
ndd763 (161 D)
Survived. Bet: 30 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Austria
apathetec (513 D)
Survived. Bet: 30 D
4 supply-centers, 6 units
Turkey
JaimeR (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 30 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
England
dgibson987 (4565 D)
Survived. Bet: 30 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
Italy
psychosis (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
Russia
XiongXiong (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
Civil Disorders
XiongXiong (0 D X)Russia (Autumn, 1903) with 1 centres.
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