Finished: 12 PM Fri 01 May 15 UTC
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Pot: 30303 D - Autumn, 1912, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
28 Apr 15 UTC Russia survives....

Sorry, Split, you were in my foxhole. :)
28 Apr 15 UTC Good game Germany, I thought initially It was Split playing Ger; I thought you were ready to go for a 17/17 with me, anyway but better safe than sorry ...

I don't think I could have done it to the end , then no need to make the game longer that it should.
28 Apr 15 UTC Really wish I could understand why Germany took it so easy on Russia in this one. To not take any centers in 1905 with empty Warsaw and Mosocow really baffled me. And then after finally taking one in 1906 he chose not to go after any additional centers in 1907 even though he could have easily taken 1 and probably 2 more Russian centers that year. Italy was also frustrating between the totally predictable stab attempt which I foiled and would have foiled a second time had Russia not chosen to sacrifice his own center in Rumania to try to help Italy get Trieste from me. Not sure why Italy chose that instead of working with me against weakened Turkey, but it sucked for both of us, so great decision. Well played France, I think you probably could have continued here and gotten the solo. Russia only has two navies and can't really build any more before you could get multiple fleets into position by the Balkans.
28 Apr 15 UTC @Maestro the solo was all your's.
@Barn if you mean sorry for a wrong play it's ok. You survived only because of guak's several missorders and wrong play but the strategy was very dumb if you ask me. To take Ankara while A/I is on having Rumania safe for retaking seems pretty noobish. Metagaming exluded,of course,as allways.
28 Apr 15 UTC I also spent Spring 06 and both turns in 07 trying to support France into Venice before giving up that anyone actually checks orders.
28 Apr 15 UTC @Yaleunc, i did see your support and I always read orders as I send myself messages to other players this way, it's just that I felt it was not my best move to take Ven at this moment of the game. Moreover it played for me indirectly as Italy was expected potential support :-), then thanks for that order ..

I didn't see more than 16 SC to catch but I must recognize that I was not really aggressive at the end of the game.
28 Apr 15 UTC Solo would have been easier for you if you had never vacated Aegean Sea once you got control of it, but seems like you could still have naval superiority over Russia with 3 fleets to his 2 and then once you control Ion, Aeg, and EMed you should be able to pick off some of his centers and then he doesn't have enough units to defend the rest. And hard for Germany to help him much as he cant move units into the appropriate spaces without taking away even more Russian units. No neutrals in the Balkans besides Albania...
28 Apr 15 UTC @Yale Russia has three fleets and the solo doesn't come from the south,he's stalemated there. The solo is on the north,there are more centers up there then he needs. He can even lose Trieste and win the game but he can't take anything away from Russia.
28 Apr 15 UTC @Split I see fleets in Con and Bul, where is the third Russian fleet? Gre and Smy are armies. Though I agree he could also probably take some Northern centers from Germany to get to 18 as well.
28 Apr 15 UTC Never mind, Russia has a build coming, that will be the third fleet. Forgot he was getting a build as he didn't take any new centers but was one short from prior disband.
28 Apr 15 UTC Split, firstly, I'm not sure what the meta comment about. Explanation? I had no idea who you were. With a powerful Germany and Austria, I felt that taking a risk and potentially changing the power dynamics was worth it. Italy flipped so...
29 Apr 15 UTC I did read like that as well, it was a kind of all in move that actually ensured the survival....
@split, did you mess up your orders in spring 1902 to take Greece ?
29 Apr 15 UTC My biggest move error was A04 taking Smyr rather than Con. I meant to change it, but I have limited internet access and forgot. Glad Germany misordered afterwards.
29 Apr 15 UTC Great game France. I think we clicked well early on. @Austria: I saw Russia not fighting back and figured he was going to be able to get rid of Turkey before anyone else.
29 Apr 15 UTC By the way, it was not a misorder. I just did not want to grow too big so that France could grow at a similar pace as I was also thinking we could do a 17 17 split at the time. And regarding talk of the solo, I think I had a very defensible position. Could had lost two fast, but the rest would had been a long grind that would let russia retake Trieste and launch his fleetsinto the med
30 Apr 15 UTC @Barn, explanation? No need,too many similar cases in the past to consider it as a coincidence. I just know I shouldn't put my orders in while you're online. Point.
30 Apr 15 UTC I must admit I am confused by your statement and what it truly means ...
30 Apr 15 UTC Interesting... I just skimmed through our past games together and see a lot of games where we draw together. I'm not seeing a pattern.
01 May 15 UTC Just getting around to looking at this, I don't see what I could have done differently to get out alive here. Felt compelled to move on Austria once Russia moved on Turkey, and I couldn't crush him nearly as fast as England got decimated.
05 May 15 UTC Pretty sure you didn't crush me at all, let alone as fast as England md got decimated. Not clear to me why Russia moving on Turkey means Italy should go attack Austria. To me it seemed like great opportunity for you to go take all the Turkish centers and help me get into Rum and Bul. Or a chance for you to go take on France while Russia and I banged heads and fought over Turkey. Either of those would have been better than attacking Austria and spending the rest of the game locked up with nowhere to go just sitting around waiting for France to eventually eliminate you.
13 May 15 UTC you wouldn't have banged heads with russia, you would have demolished him given what has happening to his north with germany. moving on turkey as you suggest would have enabled you to do that, russia would have had to abandon his attack on turkey, so i probably wouldn't have been able to pierce turkey effectively, and i would have been in serious trouble with little gains by the short amount of time it would take you to get big enough to go after me.
14 May 15 UTC Germany had a fleet in StP at end of 03 and an army in Sil that was occupied helping hold Mun. As it was Russia ended up abandoning War and Mos anyway to Germany and he basically refused to take them initially and only made token attack. Turkey was down to two units once Russia stabbed him, you would have taken Smy and then Con if you had just moved over there rather than attacking me. If you don't attack me I have no reason not to help you into Turkey as that is what I was planning to do even after your first failed stab if you had pulled back.

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France
el_maestro (14888 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 4329 D, won: 10101 D
14 supply-centers, 14 units
Germany
guak (3381 D)
Drawn. Bet: 4329 D, won: 10101 D
12 supply-centers, 11 units
Russia
Barn3tt (41969 D)
Drawn. Bet: 4329 D, won: 10101 D
8 supply-centers, 7 units
England
ag7433 (1987 D (S))
Defeated. Bet: 4329 D
Italy
y2kjbk (5402 D (G))
Defeated. Bet: 4329 D
Austria
Yaleunc (11052 D (B))
Defeated. Bet: 4329 D
Turkey
SplitDiplomat (100964 D)
Defeated. Bet: 4329 D
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