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Finished: 07 PM Sat 04 Apr 15 UTC
NCSToverNova
12 hours /phase
Pot: 38 D - Spring, 1909, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
26 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Might Germany have eyes on France as well...
26 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1904: no eyes on france
26 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Speaking of France, what are your intentions. North Atlantic Ocean is the only unit you moved last turn. England will start losing home centers soon and your going to have to find someone new to attack...
26 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1904: i dont wanna commit to anything yet, i wanna take lvp and not start any problems with germany
26 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Thats cool I get that, but realistically it will be either Germany or Italy that is next on your list.
26 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1904: yeah that makes sense
27 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1904: I get the feeling we are about to see a French/German war that at the end of the day Italy ends up deciding.
27 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Meanwhile, the Turkish forces meet no resistance and are quickly taking over the entire east.
27 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Well thats mainly due to the way that Russia and Austria set themselves up from year one. At this point I'm just trying to secure one build per year.
27 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: germany, im peaceful
27 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Okay, France. I think we ought continue to work together. I will not invade unless provoked. A war between us means the Turkish player grabs an easy win. I apologize for my preparations but i did not know what to expect.
27 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Germany, no disrespect but you make it seem like I am running over the board when I'm not. I may have 8 centers, but you have 7, and you have Edinburgh, Norway, Warsaw, and London all as very reachable centers...not to mention that even though France keeps begging for peace with you, you still put yourself in position to move into Burgundy. Bottom line is you and I have both done equally well so far...
27 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Well, let me ask outright, Turkey. What do YOU think I should do? Take Burgundy or not?
27 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: You don't necessarily need to. You have a lot of pink colored countries you can take :). If you did move into Burgundy, he'd most likely retreat it to Marseilles, and France follows up with a build in Paris. From there he pushes you back and you made a new enemy without gaining anything. Its not worth it. be peaceful with France(but don't use me as the reason for it), because the fact is if the two of you did band together you'd force the entire board to fight against you to stop your two way draw.
27 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: +1, Turkey. You are very good at the diplomacy dance, and I commend you. France, we are still on good terms and I hope we remain so. Let's finish off the English quickly.
28 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Thank you. Appreciate the compliment. I see you've officially declared intent towards the south? May I ask for what purpose. After all I am open to working together. I generally don't talk this much by the way but in most f2f games where all discussions are at the table, there is ALOT more discussion than here.
29 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1905: Ok Germany is going to give me hell for saying this but...

France are you sure you want to be in an alliance with Germany? Lets look at the facts, the only center you've gained from your friendship with him is Liverpool...thats it. Meanwhile your next builds look like they have to come from centers he owns. You get liverpool and he gets Edinburgh, Norway, St. Pete, Belgium, Warsaw etc.

Me and him are equal in strength and I'm not going to lie, you tip the balance, I'm just not sure why you would want to work with Germany when he's gotten all the profits.
29 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1905: ive barely read the public chat but i saw my name, turkey im not stabbing germany right now, im gonna stay neutral and try to take italy and then we will see where we are
29 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1905: Thats a shame. You seem like a pretty trustworthy guy based on your comments. I'm gonna try not to write too much since I've done too much as it is, but all I'll say is what should be a 50/50 profit for each of you has been like 9/1 in favor of Germany. Its not a mutually beneficial relationship.
29 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: France and Germany is a mutually beneficial relationship Turkey bc we eliminated a common enemy and avoided a devastating war between us.
29 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: Furthermore, if I were in French shoes, I'd be most concerned about that aggressive Turkish fleet deployment into the Med...
29 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: A common enemy where you took everything. Besides my going into the ionian is more about italy than France. Besides I know he is going to enter the med too so I have to have some presence there.
29 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: Anyways, I can't change Frances mind. At the end of the day look at the supply center difference between the two of you... 10 to 5. France has literally gained NOTHING from working with you. You most likely are going to solo though.
29 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: Oh and saying you avoided a war doesn't help him out. Thats basically saying your gift to him is that you chose to keep him alive. Again, not a mutually beneficial relationship.
29 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: Again, France would still be in the midst of a long drawn out conflict with either A) England or B) Germany or C) both E/G if we were not working together. And we'd all lose to a rapidly growing Turkey. Plenty to gain: perhaps all of Italy's centers or part in a three way draw.

Can we put the "nothing to gain" argument to rest now?
30 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1906: Just let me die. I'm tired of being used as a shield.
30 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1906: Ok so after this my progress is relatively over...I'm stuck at 11 or 12 centers. Would you guys be down for a 3 way draw?
30 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: England and Austria should be done this year (assuming Portugal and Vienna fall to you guys). I feel like its time.
30 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: im not gonna solo so 3 way sounds right to m
30 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: If we get down to three the draw sounds good.
31 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: We've got Russia and Italy still alive. Germany can take Moscow I can take Venice. France keep Marseilles safe and then we can draw.
31 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1907: Ok so lets get Venice and Moscow out and then we can end this.
01 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: Turkey, Germany's move to yorkshire is a stab, we need to prevent the solo
02 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: I don't want to say that I told you so but I told you so. Saw through his bs the whole game.
02 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: The good news is that it may be difficult for him to get his last 3 centers.
02 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: Relax, Turkey. I'm still good on the draw. Just wanted to position myself in case of a dramatic turn of events. I won't stab France. I'm for the draw, but only bc I want to reward France for sticking by me. If it was you, I'd stab away. Go fuck yourself.
02 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: I'm ordering all support holds and a draw this phase then a draw, unless attacked. Understand?
02 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: im sorry, im surprised i didnt block marse
02 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: 1)Germany you took Liverpool so shut up.
2) no need to use profanity its a game.
3) nothing I've said about you is wrong. Every point I made about you had merit.

Who do you honestly think you are? You probably are gonna win a pot of 37 that's points by supply center. You can have the extra point lol. I'm just happy I got proven right. I hate to be rude because I'm not that guy but you really suck. Get better at this game because I read you years ago.
02 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: Sigh. I'll still vote draw, France, once Italy is destroyed. Until then I'm going to position myself for the win.
02 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: Turkey: It doesn't matter if I take Liverpool bc a draw is split evenly regardless of SC's, FYI. Also: what was your read? That I was trying to win the game? Good for you!
02 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: Ugh forget it. Too tired to argue. Let's just play this out. Don't really care anymore.
02 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1908: Go for the win Germany!
02 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1908: im causing as much havoc as I can before I go
02 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1908: turkey, make sure to hit pie so germany cant hold it
03 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: or ask Italy to nicely hit it.
03 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: Italy's done. France, if you want a draw, make sure Turkey doesn't grab his last centers from you. I'll vote draw, as promised, once Italy's final unit is disbanded.
03 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: sounds good
03 Apr 15 UTC Well Italy's gone. Moment of truth time Germany.
03 Apr 15 UTC I am good on my word.

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Turkey
zqazi2 (635 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 13 D
15 supply-centers, 15 units
Germany
Lanium (105 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 13 D
14 supply-centers, 14 units
France
pandas13 (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 13 D
5 supply-centers, 4 units
England
Olek (515 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Italy
mynamejeff (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 1 D
Austria
bbanks2504 (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Russia
Yoshi K (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
Berkut (156 D)Italy (Spring, 1906) with 3 centres.
iplaybuttnakee (100 D)Italy (Spring, 1907) with 1 centres.
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