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Finished: 05 AM Fri 27 Mar 15 UTC
hellalt is back. play me!
1 day /phase
Pot: 350 D - Autumn, 1912, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Sh@dow (3512 D)
02 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Welcome back, Russia!
05 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: Goodbye England, goodbye Turkey, thank you for participating!
06 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1905: Nice game ET! Unlucky this time, hope to play you'll later again :)
18 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1909: Perhaps we could all click "ready"?
19 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Damn it. Wrong guess 2nd time in a row. Ah - 2 chances messed up.
I went for Vienna initially and changed it to Marseilles at the last moment :/
Nice try Italy :) But I expected it :)
19 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: When you removed your draw vote, it became obvious what you were hoping for :P
19 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Yeah, you guessed wrong again; I believe we nearly have a stalemate line.
19 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: we already have a stalemate
20 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: No, Germany needs to support Italy to Portugal to get you out of the draw, then it will be a stalemate.
20 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: italy cannot afford to do that (without germany retreating back) cause if spa-por (while gol-mar) then germany might attack spa with support to grab the solo and italy wouldnt be able to protect spain with just wes and na.
so as you can see clever guy my role in the game is imperative for the stalemate line :P
20 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: *while gol s mar to hold
20 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Your role in the game is not imperative for the stalemate France.
20 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: MAO S Spa-Por, WM S Mar-Spain, GOL S Pie-Mar is fool-proof. No one can stab anyone. It is impossible for Italy or me to solo. And it is very easy to cut you out.
20 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: pie cannot do that cause it has to protect tyr smartass :P
20 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: otherwise go ahead and evacuate mao and let italy put me out. I challenge you to do it. let's see if you have the balls.
20 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: No Trieste can protect Tyr as only Bud is needed for Vienna.
You need to learn to start reading the board better France instead of calling other people smartasses :)
20 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Funny thing is Tyr isn't even needed for the stalemate. Italy can lose Tyr and it's still a stalemate.
20 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Maybe he's just desperate.
20 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Who's desperate?

True, Tyr is not really needed for the stalemate. Nor is MAO, nor Gas, nor Bur for that matter. Somehow I don't want to risk losing Spain by moving it unnecessarily :)
20 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: France is desperate, is what I meant.
20 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: go ahead with your desperate 2 way solo dream
to whom it may concern; i m now open to proposals to support whatever action you need to go for a solo.
whoever approaches me first wins.
good luck
22 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1910: Such a pointless thing this is.
22 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1910: Yes, it is
22 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1910: Then why would you make that move when its clearly evident that you cannot get 18? It just pushes us more moves away from a 2WD
23 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1911: "(To: You, from Germany) - Cannot send message; this country has muted you."

:)
23 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1911: lol
24 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: Yeah if you two don't get a two way draw out of this you're bad at game theory.
24 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: Germany always refused to vote for draw
Germany wants a solo-victory
Germany stabbed me earlier for a few consecutive turns, ineffectively
Germany tried to win, but failed
Germany is angry
Germany refuses to draw
Germany wants me to move Spa->Por
Germany has been denying me access to MAO at least since Spring 1908
Germany is not willing to vacate MAO (nor Gas), nor to support Spa->Por
Germany unilaterally demands me to move out of Arm, Bla, Con, and Sev
Germany still refuses to draw
Germany wants me to apologize
Germany has muted me
24 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: That's about the situation of the last few years; I'm not opposed to a draw, I fully realize I can't win this game. Unfortunately my relations with Germany are a bit ... difficult.
This game could have been finished long ago if Germany had been more reasonable.
I suppose we can do little else than wait until Germany is willing to draw :)
24 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: Good luck on getting that to happen, Italy. I waited for quite awhile, but it never happened for me, no matter how much I was promised one.
24 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: Thanks :) And yeah, you're right, Austria.
I've stabbed Turkey, you, Russia, and France repeatedly, partially because there were easy gains for me, and partially because Germany insisted on it.
Germany always claimed to want a two-way draw (in other words: "let's work together until I can launch a last-minute stab to win". That was exactly what happened, although I was not at all completely unprepared).
Removing unnecessary players is part of the game, some call it "thinning the draw". Strictly speaking France is not necessary for the draw right now, thus ought to be defeated. However, there is no way I could get Por, I fully realize that, therefore I'm currently willing to consider any draw :)
25 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1912: Germany here is what italy tells you

"Germany wants a solo-victory
Germany stabbed me earlier for a few consecutive turns, ineffectively
Germany tried to win, but failed
Germany is angry
Germany refuses to draw
Germany wants me to move Spa->Por
Germany has been denying me access to MAO at least since Spring 1908
Germany is not willing to vacate MAO (nor Gas), nor to support Spa->Por
Germany unilaterally demands me to move out of Arm, Bla, Con, and Sev
Germany still refuses to draw
Germany wants me to apologize
Germany has muted me"

Seems to me you have the maturity of an embryo.
Either change your attitude and get me out of the game or put your draw vote in.
Otherwise I can always force a draw through the mods.
So get it over with you pathetic clown.
25 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1912: If I read that, I would think I have the maturity of an embryo too. Fortunately or unfortunately though, that is not true. Not a word of it. Well 1 or 2 words of it are true - that I asked him move out of Black (not Arm, Con, Sev - lol what a compulsive liar this guy is) and that I muted him and want him to apologise. The rest of it is horseshit.

For example, I have offered him support into Portugal MANY times but he has refused to take it demanding that I vacate MAO and Gas instead. I informed him to try and read up on stalemate lines to understand why I will not do that - and that he doesn't need me to vacate those areas if he has no intention of stabbing me.
Anyway, the truth is that I lied once and went for a solo. I didn't get the solo and settled for a 2WD and explicitly told him that. The next 3-4 turns Italy lied every turn and kept stabbing me (Aut 1909, Spring 1910, Autumn 1910).
I told him 2 years ago that Sev was exposed and that he could take it if he wanted - but it would get him nowhere as he could not get 18 - there was no chance - and that I would not react well to *yet another* stab by him. So I told him to realise the futility of this foolish endeavour, to just take Portugal and end this game.
He then responded by seizing Sevas, saying he didn't care, he would keep stabbing me and take a chance at Mos, Warsaw. lol. He clearly doesn't understand what stalemates are - Mos, War it seems.
By this time, he had lied so many times continuously, had refused to take Por, and was openly saying he thought he could take Mos, War - that I had got tired of his constant lies and inanity, so I muted him to spare myself a headache.
Instead, I set up a stalemate line, built a fleet and started manouevring it towards NAO over the last 3 turns (as all of you'll can see) and now I can take Portugal without risking MAO. Which was the only rational course left to me when playing with an irrational player.

So lol. The moral of the above story is that:
Italy is a compulsive liar. I muted him because he was giving me a headache and didn't seem to understand what stalemate lines were.
So I decided to take matters into my own hands and have spent the last 3 turns getting my fleet into NAO so that I am in a position to take Portugal without risking MAO at all - which is the only play left here.
The fact that no-one has noticed or understood that is more than a little astonishing.
25 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1912: And mind your language France, especially when you have no idea what is going on. Your foolishness in jumping to conclusions without knowing half the story makes you look like a foolish clown.
25 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1912: the gayest ever, dwayne
25 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1912: Oops, I made a mistake when submitting my orders.
Pie S Ven H should have been Pie S Mar H, obviously :)
25 Mar 15 UTC I knew I shouldn't have joined a game with such a low pot.
25 Mar 15 UTC Wow. That is a stroke of luck.

Its got nothing to do with the pot England. The highest pot - 140000 point game with the absolute *top* GR rated players on the site was also decided through a misorder right at the end.
Misorders happen in this game - at all points. Sometimes they happen in the beginning, sometimes the middle, sometimes the end. Such is the game.
25 Mar 15 UTC misorders happen if your brain is faulty.
25 Mar 15 UTC Or if you are careless and don't use the preview button :)
25 Mar 15 UTC I'm not talking about misorders. I'm talking about the maturity level.

Italy's got a 50/50 shot at maintaining the draw anyway.
25 Mar 15 UTC Yeah, I should have checked my orders before clicking "Ready", a costly mistake. Apparently I spent my attention on reading these unimportant public press posts instead of my moves :)
Hopefully Germany is happy now; the fact is I helped Germany into Por (and unfortunately also Mar), while Germany has muted me.
25 Mar 15 UTC Correction: had muted me, it seems I'm now unmuted again :)
25 Mar 15 UTC Anyway, congratulations with your solo-victory, Germany!
25 Mar 15 UTC Thanks Italy. That was a complete fluke. Would have been a well deserved 2-way, but I am not complaining that I got lucky :)
25 Mar 15 UTC Congrats to Germany. I'm glad to have gotten to play with such skilled people. But I think it's safe to say this has been my worst go as Austria.
26 Mar 15 UTC This is probably my worst result ever, I can't remember I ever blocked an imminent solo-victory for so many years, and then lost in the end. Another novelty: I've been muted for the first time :)
Nevertheless, I think this was a good game. If I recall correctly, we had no CDs, and only a single (Russian) NMR.
Austria and England, it was nice to see you stayed around to comment till the end; thank you all for participating!
26 Mar 15 UTC how the fuck did germany solo? jesus christ. that's why I had months to play a game. amateurs everywhere
28 Mar 15 UTC Gg all - yeah I was wrong about it being impossible for Germany - I wasn't reading the board closely enough. My favorite part about this game:

(me)25 Feb 2015 Autumn, 1903: Like I said - you're not going to get anything. Germany will take at least Norway and Edi this turn and you're not going to get anything for your troubles.
(him)25 Feb 2015 Autumn, 1903: what about lon and lvp?
(me)25 Feb 2015 Autumn, 1903: He doesn't have to give them to you unless he wants to. You're completely at his mercy.
(him)25 Feb 2015 Autumn, 1903: you play it well but you are not convinving
(me)25 Feb 2015 Autumn, 1903: I'm not trying to convince you of anything. It's a simple fact that without a tremendous stroke of generosity from Germany, you'll get nothing.
(me)26 Feb 2015 Autumn, 1903: Let's see... Germany got 3 builds, you got 1. Let's see how long that lasts. I predict at least one fleet from him - and any number of fleets is a hostile move towards you.
28 Mar 15 UTC That was France, in case it wasn't clear.

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Germany
Sh@dow (3512 D)
Won. Bet: 50 D, won: 350 D
18 supply-centers, 16 units
Italy
Nescio (1069 D)
Survived. Bet: 50 D
16 supply-centers, 16 units
England
(1304 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
France
hellalt (113 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Austria
TrPrado (461 D Mod)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Turkey
Petyr Baelish (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Russia
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
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