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Finished: 03 PM Mon 27 Apr 15 UTC
Modern Virgins
1 days /phase
Pot: 400 D - Autumn, 2019, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
07 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2003: I offer my centers to Spain so he can keep Turkey from a solo and instead he just helps Turkey take them....
25 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2008: Sorry to see you go Italy. I enjoyed playing with you - its unfair that you are out, but such is this game. Respect for playing hard to the very end.
29 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2009: Can we draw now?
29 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 2010: That is completely up to Turkey. I will not raise that flag until he says so.
29 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 2010: Alright, lets keep dancing then - I can regain a few centers easily now.
29 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 2010: Crush England.
30 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 2010: Britain, I've always admired your bravado.
30 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 2010: Ze admiration is mutual
30 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: This bloody Germany. Misordered half the times he played cos he almost never logs on to press, NMRd the rest of the times at crucial positions and then suddenly disappeared completely upsetting everything.

Anyway, what are you guys playing for? Russia - you do realise Turkey has played for a solo throughout (which is why refuses to draw a game that has nothing left in it) and will eventually solo now if you keep going ahead. There are no stalemate lines to safely 2 way draw and Turkey is way ahead anyway. Once he reaches 27, he can strike out at you and you won't be able to stop him anymore when he surprises you takes 2-3 builds to reach 30 and then bulldozes through to 33.
He has Mun, Kra areas vulnerable,. He has dominion over Black and can take both seas at any point and he has kept two armies in Geo, Arm safely at all points carefully waiting for the right time.

Turkey, you have incredible patience playing this long game :) And a pretty pliant Russia. lets see if he gives you the solo or not :)
30 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: Germany's misplay surely sealed the end ...now the only drama left is who solos....Turkey has the lead, but Russia has access to England's centers...
30 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: Yeah but Russia can't touch Turkey.
Turkey can blitz through Russia when he forces the issue. Tureky will get get Monaco and Libya back taking him to 26 effectively already.
From there he needs just SEVEN centers. That's it.

Tunis, Rostov, KSev, Ode, Mun, Cze are all within easy reach in like 2 moves. The first of which will be sudden and anticipated.
30 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: Your argument is that Turkey CAN get the solo now.....that's been true a while. But he hasn't. And as he waits, Russia will add 11 centers to Turkey's 3ish in the same time. And most of Russia's new builds won't be needed in the West and the border will get harder. That's what makes watching this so fun....
30 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: No, that has not been true for a while. Every center counts. He needs to come to about 25 before making the final push. He needed Russian help to get to Mar, Mon, Swi etc.
From here he can push on his own. I anticipate pretty soon- after he gets Mon I think. Maybe Lyon. - after that solo push.

Russia will not 11 to Turkey's 3. I will slow Russia down and Turkey will explode when he attacks Russia around Black and Kra etc.
Russia is vulnerable to a Turkish stab - Turkey is not.
31 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: Oh, I completely agree that Turkey is in the drivers seat now and for a bit....but will lose that leverage over time. The question is whether he acts now to control his future, or waits until Russia is strong enough to turn the tables. 2-ways are scarcer then hen's teeth -- the only question is which one stabs and when. Fun theater. Should sell tickets.
31 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: 2-ways are possible in Classic where there are clearly defined stalemate lines which prevent stabbing. Here without any set lines and a clearly ascendant Turkey, there is just 1 outcome.

What do you want to do Spain? Lets help Turkey wrap this up?
31 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: Britain, could you PLEASE wear me down with your game play and not your constant chatter.
31 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: No one is forcing you to read it if you don't want to Russia.
31 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: Hey all-knowing, all-telling expert on this game. If you are so intent on this one being done so quickly. Could you please explain the 'Ready' button to the class.
31 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: Neither am I all-knowing nor am I all-telling nor am I an expert. At no point did I say I want to be done quickly either - I have only ever said I want to draw and that you are risking a Turkish solo. That's pretty much it.
And I need the time - so I can't ready up. With respect, I have the prerogative and right to use that time. There are several times when I have readied up early, and several when I have not, all throughout the game - right from 1901, I have taken the full 24 hours when needed. I have my reasons.
31 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: England is jealous that Russia has been chatting online with babes all day.
31 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: Clearly France is someone who thinks chatting 'online' with 'babes' is something to be jealous of. Lol. You the man France
31 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: England is jealous that Russia has been chatting online with babes all day.
31 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 2010: What? Isn't England a Babe?
31 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 2011: Napoleon Dynamite reference.
01 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2011: I voted for Pedro.
01 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2011: And all of your wildest dreams came true
02 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2011: dude, can I have your tots?
02 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2011: Trade you for a glitter Bonne Belle dispenser.
03 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2011: Sorry France, I can't trade. New cheerleading uniforms are all the rage. And it seems Britain's, just got a little tighter.
03 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2011: Britain, just imagine you are weightless, in the ocean, surrounded by tiny little sea horses.
05 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2012: And Germany clings to life...
05 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2012: Gone but not ?????. I'm sorry, who were you talking about?
09 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2012: Britain you due indeed have the prerogative and the right to play at the speed of play that the game offers. I just think what you are doing shows a poor level of sportsmanship.

If someone was playing in the last group at the Masters and on the final day he opened with a 45 on the front nine on his way to a 85 or 90, and he still continued to plumb his putts and take all the time the officials allow. The court of public opinion would crucify him.

With all due respect, this is an anonymous game so you are free to play as you wish and not suffer public opinion. I just think you aren't showing very much class.
10 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2013: Russia: Bullshit. People pick 1 day cycles because they work, have school, etc. They still have those things throughout the game. It is so annoying that people call to rush as if other people couldn't possibly have a life.
12 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2013: Spain. Maybe you simply don't get what the point was.It was when players become non-viable or have no chance of winning, they simply drag it out or don't put in orders in spite, just to piss off the others that they feel have done them wrong. it is called poor sportsmanship, pure and simple.

i.e. Britain always logged on between midnight and 1 am and responded, whined and/or negotiated. He went on at length lambasting Germany for multiple NMR's, when the Kaiser saw the writing on the wall. Now he's doing the same thing .

Do you really think it because of work, school or he's now decided to go back to his "life"?

I have a terrible record in these games, i have been playing Dip since F-T-F in the 70's, but I have a 100% commitment rating. And EVEN when I am losing, I play "ready Dip". I have a life, a job and a family. If somebody is just being a poor sport, they need to be called on it. As I write this we have a little over an hour before the deadline. we have moves in for Turkey,Spain and Russia. Germany has left. And still we wait for Britain.

I will require a pause from 4/20 to 4/25 for a trip to NYC (my wife won a trip, that was cool!), I have tried to move this along to inconvenience as few as possible. That doesn't look very promising at this date. Turkey has known this for some time, but in full disclosure, i wanted you all to know that sometimes "life happens".
12 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2013: Wow, Britain is now listed as LEFT. Shocker....
12 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2014: Than shall we end it before we get a replacement?
13 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2014: I would like this to be a two-way draw. If you feel you can take out either Turkey or myself, by all means go for it. If Turkey wants it to end now he just has to say so. What do you say, Sultan?
13 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2014: Normally I would say two ways are untrustworthy and inherently unstable. But you guys have lasted this long...
17 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2016: Welcome back Britain,
17 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2016: I don't quit games. I have never quit games.
My username is Sh@dow and I play these games with utmost sincerity.
Real life exigencies forced my hand and I was unable to play for 5-6 days, and thus I have gone into CD in 4-5 games simulatenously. You can check my record or call the mods for proof.
I fight to the death in any game I play and this is no exception.

That said, Russia and Turkey - I think this is poor play. You have both given each other a chance to solo. You'll might make it to the 2WD but a really skilled 2WD is a thing of true beauty - in which adept tactics and negotiations ensure that neither side has a chance to solo.
This is not that game as the 2WD will happen only if both sides give up their solo chances.

I played this game to stop a solo - and I will play every game to stop a solo - always. That is the true spirit of the game, and I will always abide by that - even if that pisses off Turkey. That is the only way the game should be played.
Happened to be surrounded by a murderous frenchman, a constantly NMRing Germany, and a Russia who well... Russia knows what he did :)

My NMRs weren't me copping out. I have never copped out of any game, ever.

Congrats to whoever shares the draw. I hope you feel this entire process has been worth it.
17 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2016: The build in Kiev is really interesting and I hope Russia punishes Turkey by taking the solo now - this has been quite ridiculous.
17 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2016: I feel your pain -- I'm actually in two games at the moment with 2 nations pressing for agreed 2-ways. I 've never seen one in close to 400 games, and now I'm in two as the third wheel.
17 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2016: I have been playing on this site since November of 2014. I have seen several versions of the "shadow" username. In fact, in three of my games, a player, username with "shadow"in it was banned for multi-gaming. I'm not saying that was you, but it is an interesting coincidence. In three different games, mind you.

I have been playing Dip for 5 decades.( I started with f-t-f in the 70's in college). I have played on DPJudge, Facebook's format and now this one online. I have been to Dixie-Con in Raleigh over memorial day weekends. I've played in many tournaments and even in the World cup of long ago. (Not the recent ill-fated one that never launched).

Point is, I've been "around the block". People play these games for their own reasons. I have seen 2 ways to protect points to make it to the next round or just because they don't like the way they are spoken to in a game.

Spain, to defend that one player can't force another to play faster and then to agree with Britain that all games should be played to a solo is hypocritical. If you sign up for a game are you saying you can play whenever you want, but not however you want? In your own words (or rather, word here) Bullshit.

Britain, I had a real life experience in this game, when I lived on the coast of Carolina when in Wilmington I didn't have internet because of a cat 3 hurricane. I called my sister-in -law in Colorado (by the way, hurricane free, since the flood) and she entered moves for 3 rounds. Point is it can be done.

I'm going to raise the draw flag, right after I land in Ireland. Turkey, if you are so inclined do the same.

Turkey it has been fun working with someone that said what they meant, meant what they said and didn't go on whining about it past the very end. it has been a pleasure.
18 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2016: Not sure why you think I said someone shouldn't play for a solo -- I expect that people will either try for the solo or work to prevent one. My whining -- if that is what it was -- was about agreed 2-ways in which neither party plays to win or prevent a win. And you are right, tourney play and FTF is very different. And I'm as old as you by the way -- did my first Dip tourney at the first Origins in the early 70's...forget exactly when it was.
19 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2016: Turkey, this year I take Madrid and you take Gib, Next year you take Seville and I'll take Portugal. Easy-Peasy.
20 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: Sounds good my comrade.
20 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: Not that I'm not going to get crushed fairly soon, but you'll take Madrid?
21 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: So you don't have a problem with Turkey's comrade, though.
Sorry I need to pause, I'll be back Saturday morning, don't surrender without me.
24 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2019: Well, now it gets interesting.... (Well played anyway).

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Russia
Flashy (176 D)
Drawn. Bet: 40 D, won: 200 D
32 supply-centers, 31 units
Turkey
Drawn. Bet: 40 D, won: 200 D
32 supply-centers, 32 units
Britain
Sh@dow (3512 D)
Defeated. Bet: 40 D
Egypt
YanksFan47 (137 D)
Defeated. Bet: 40 D
France
jeffberg (237 D)
Defeated. Bet: 40 D
Germany
Aghesquiere (526 D)
Defeated. Bet: 40 D
Italy
rannjohnson (1361 D)
Defeated. Bet: 40 D
Poland
sanfi (1709 D)
Defeated. Bet: 40 D
Spain
Creigh (3075 D (G))
Defeated. Bet: 40 D
Ukraine
rmf (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 40 D
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