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Finished: 02 AM Fri 06 Mar 15 UTC
Dirty Rotten Scoundrels-2
2 days /phase
Pot: 87 D - Spring, 1911, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
29 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Wow! A cheater...I have never understood how one would even get any satisfaction from a win knowing he/she had to resort to cheating to get there.

It's like saying "I know i'm not good enough to win on my own, so i'll cheat" - Pretty Sad!
29 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Wow! A cheater...I have never understood how one would even get any satisfaction from a win knowing he/she had to resort to cheating to get there.

It's like saying "I know i'm not good enough to win on my own, so i'll cheat" - Pretty Sad!
29 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Silly question but how would you even cheat? Hack the system?
29 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: The Moderator said he was a 'Multi". That means that he had multiple accounts on this site. You then could play two different powers in the same game. See how that works?

I stick by my firat comment that it is sad someone would do this.
29 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Welcome to the new Czar...
02 Feb 15 UTC Spring, 1904: You know, what I don't understand is why only one user account was banned, i.e. "Gallowscalloborator" If a cheater is using two accounts, shouldn't both be banned?
02 Feb 15 UTC Spring, 1904: I am sure they were. He probably wasn't using both in this game...
03 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: GameMaster: Jarte was banned: Multi/Meta/No Reply. The time until the next phase has been extended by one phase length to give an opportunity to replace the player.
Remember to finalize your orders if you don't want to wait, so the game isn't held up unnecessarily!
03 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Wow! Two cheaters in our game? I hope there are no others...
04 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: What? This is crazy...

Maybe Jarte was the counterpart to Gallowscollaborator?
04 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Checked through the game histories, looks like it was a different game again.
06 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Is Russia dropping out too? Missed last phase...
06 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: I'll hazard a guess and say yes. Brand new account and this is his only game.
07 Feb 15 UTC Spring, 1905: Man, I hate that...
16 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: Great! England is now AWOL. I have played 4 games on this site and have always had at least two people miss movements/quit during the game. This seems to be prevalent on this site.
When I played on another site ten years ago, if you NMR'ed, you were given one warning and then banned from the site. Seemed to work for everyone except the ones that just joined, started playing a game, started experiencing the'Oh, this isn't RISK' syndrome and left.
17 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: It is pretty common anywhere you plan Diplomacy on the web. Been on plenty of sites and they all have the same problem.
17 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: I have never experienced it to this extent anywhere else
17 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: It appears certain now that England is not coming back...
17 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: Where have you been playing then? I've never had anything but this kind of experience on the 5 different sites I've played on.
20 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: The previous king of England has been dethroned. I have stepped in as his successor. I am sorry if this complicates a planned draw but I saw nothing in global to suggest that was to be forthcoming. Therefore I thought every power being represented would be best.

To sidebar, Germany part of the NMR frequency is, I believe that it is a low point game and public. Switching either of those factors up dramatically reduces the chance of NMR.

Back to foreign policy. England is officially open for diplomatic relations.
23 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: Stalemate!
23 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: It certainly appears that way. I do have a question though, as I am unsure of website policy. If we just continue stalemating for several turns obviously someone will suggest draw and others will assent or not. But if there is a standing draw offer for several turns, and there is a lone holdout, but the stalemate simply remains, does a mod come and draw things or does the game go on indefinitely? Does anyone know how that situation resolves.

Regardless, for the time period, we are going back to the diplomacy of diplomacy.
23 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: It is my understanding that it will simply go on indefinitely.
27 Feb 15 UTC Spring, 1909: I have contacted the board moderator for a clarification on the stalemate rule, if any exist for this site.
27 Feb 15 UTC Spring, 1909: (A_Tin_Can): Hi everyone! One of the webDip moderators here - if there is a complete stalemate line constructed (ie, there is no way to break through), and it has been held for a couple of game years, we will generally draw the game if asked.

This *very* rarely comes up, though. Most users see that they can't break the line and draw. Or they pull back from the line to allow whatever they want to happen to happen.
27 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Well, let us hope that it does not come to that. However, I have put up a draw vote because there has been no progress for three turns. If it is to be a five person draw so be it.

But, as always, England is up for diplomatic negotiations.
27 Feb 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Useless posturing by Turkey...
28 Feb 15 UTC Spring, 1910: Well although there have been some fun moves in the best two seasons, no actual progress has been made. Would the rest of you all care to vote draw? I feel we should give it another full year to show the mods we have exhausted our options. But in Spring 1911 if nothing has still happened let us get the mods involved. Does anyone have a problem with that?

As always I am open for diplomatic negotiations, but it seems like we are just spinning in circles (some quite literally).
28 Feb 15 UTC Spring, 1910: I'm quite proud of my circus circle there. Highlights the absurdity that abounds here.
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: Turkey, I am confused why you have not voted draw yet. You are obviously just playing games with your units, and have no desire to shrink the numbers in the draw down from five. So why not just vote draw?
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: We're all playing games with our units, yet I do not see you inquiring as to why Germany or Italy have not put in for a draw. In fact, that Germany has not put in for a draw despite hiding behind his line is far more confusing that my refusal to do so.
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: That is patently untrue. Germany and I are taking active steps to prevent you from soloing. That is not playing games with units. Germany and I are also trying to actively remove France from the game. That is not playing games with units.

France is also not playing games with his unit. By ordering his unit to hold each turn he is actively trying to survive and end up in the draw. I am unsure of Italy's moves, he may or may not be playing games.

But you are simply playing games. That is irrefutable. I guess some people just like to play for a five person draw. And it is fine that that is the type of player that you are. It is frustrating that people play diplomacy in such a way, but such is your prerogative.
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: When you are done with you temper tantrum, you can come out of your room.
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: Apparently that was still in global. The king of England hopes he did not embarrass anyone with his outburst.

I remain, as always, open for diplomatic negotiation.
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: Italy what are you talking about? Also, since Turkey is mad that I have not asked you to vote draw in global but only in one on one chat.

Italy, why have you not voted draw yet?

I would also like to personally thank you Italy; you always brighten my day with your comments. At least, you put a smile on my face whenever you speak to me.
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: I am publicly stating my support for the draw proposed by England. Turkey and Italy, I have no problem in publicly calling you out. I told BOTH of you a year before the stalemate lines were established exactly where they would be and what the result would be. You both ridiculed me in your replies. Well here we are...
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: I also tried to work out a solution with Italy which would have not required he lose a single Supply Center, it even gave him an extra Supply Center with the possibility for more...He refused...
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: I then made overtures to Turkey with the same result...
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: France has survived the storm with his lone Supply Center...Great job!
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: England is correct about Turkey and Italy's useless posturing. I will not be pulled off the stalemate line until there is some concrete action action taken that will move this game forward, so you might as well save your 'shifting units with no Logical reason' strategy...
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: England understands as well I do what you hope to accomplish and it's just not going to happen. Make some hard decisions, roll the dice and let's move this game forward, or you might as well vote for the draw because I will be petitioning the board moderators along with England to force the stalemate and five way draw...
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: In short, your threat to hols us hostage to a never ending (And time wasting) game hav
01 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: Have been dashed. If you intend to stick to the current strategy, and it is your right to do so, you know where it will go, so just go ahead and vote for the draw now...
02 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1910: Why is Italy voting for a Pause? Italy?
02 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1910: If this is indeed our final season together, I want to say that it has been a plum pleasing pleasure.
03 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1910: All of this really has been amusing gentlemen, but I think it's time we called in the moderators and put this on to bed after this movement...
04 Mar 15 UTC (Hellenic Riot): Dear members. This game has been clearly stalemated for a number of years, and as a result I am now drawing this game in accordance with our policies.
04 Mar 15 UTC I have emailed the Board Moderators and asked them to intervene and declare this game drawn. Threats to hold all other players hostage to a game that has not seen a change in ownership of a single Supply Center in over four years until your demands are met, while a definitive stalemate line has been drawn and held, are in my opinion outside of the boundaries of play.
The name of the game is Diplomacy. If we are at a point where there is no Diplomacy, and I beleive we are, then we need to draw. Turkey and Italy - you have not voted for the draw - you are also unwilling or unable to break the stalemate. It is unreasonable to expect the majority to continue when no progress has been made for so long...

I await a ruling by the Board Moderator...
04 Mar 15 UTC Thank you to all players and to the Moderators for first letting us know what the board policies are regarding stalemates, and then for enforcing them...
04 Mar 15 UTC I do not know that good game is the appropriate sentiment, but it was certainly an educational one. Make it a great day everyone.

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Turkey
LogicCure (494 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 17 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Germany
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 17 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
England
jengamaster (2119 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 17 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Italy
taxpro (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 17 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
France
Lanium (105 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 17 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
Russia
hary1376 (4 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 7 D
Austria
Jarte (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
jblue22 (100 D)England (Autumn, 1907) with 7 centres.
hary1376 (4 D X)Russia (Autumn, 1905) with 1 centres.
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