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Finished: 05 AM Fri 23 Jan 15 UTC
Proper Diplomacy-4
1 days /phase
Pot: 175 D - Autumn, 1908, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
15 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1906: Getting a little desperate, France? Everyone on the board should know this. He sent Italy a message (that I had sent him) way back in 1903.
15 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1906: So when you communicate with France, just remember he is quite likely to send the communication to someone else. The best part is... the communication in question really wasn't damning in any way.
15 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1906: Now I REALLY want to see this through and eliminate every single last French supply center. I don't care if it takes untill 1913
15 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1906: Au Vois Mon Cherie!
15 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1906: :o - So France is just a backstabbing little cheat? - He's going down :)
15 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1906: Did I touch a nerve Russia? I love it when people start using CAPS to show how worked up they are....
15 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1906: ...the game is called Diplomacy guys. Anything is on the table. If you ever get a chance, check out the original rules of the game--dating back to the late 1950's. Those rules make clear that part of the fun of the game is trickery, backstabbing, anything that can be used to influence your fellow players--they even mention "evesdropping" as being one strategy that's on the table.

But I have one personal rule which I try to follow when playing this game, and that is to be civil to my opponents, even if they have outwitted me or have backstabbed me or are in the process of defeating me.
Remember, it's just a game. If you get worked up and angry when you're playing this game, your anger will inevitably spill over into the real world. Don't let that happen! Have fun!

And now, let's roll up our sleeves and start swinging.
15 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1906: :)
15 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1906: ;-(

... shedding tears for another dead alliance...
15 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: At least it's made the game more interesting ;)
15 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: True. And this game has already been very interesting! Fun, fun...
15 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Anyone that left themselves as wide open to a stab as I did probably deserves it.
15 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: We'll go with that one Russia ;)
16 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: I am disappointed in all of your actions!.........( especially if you were trying to imitate my own skulduggery)....heheheheheh
16 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: What a bunch of kooks!!
16 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: I wonder when Austria is going to 'make the game more interesting' for Italy?
16 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Hey, I am happy to get all my "interesting" vicariously!!!
16 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Haha - Enjoy the show then - It really is going to be interesting ;)
16 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Italy, Italy, Italy...
What am I going to do with you?
17 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Crush me like a little toy?
19 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: Wow... I've just blown a lot by screwing that up... Ah well, I'll take them back ;) :P
19 Jan 15 UTC Autumn, 1907: Can I keep my Villa in Southern Italy at least?
20 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1908: Yes germany, you can keep your villa in sourthern italy. Such a shame that no one in your family is alive to visit it... :-).

France and Austria: you are each at 12. Russia and and I have 10 between us. Let's do a 4-way draw. My vote is in.
20 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1908: somehow I don't think they're going to go for it
20 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1908: Whoever between France and Austria doesn't vote for draw gets attacked by both of us ... either they accept draw, or accept that the other gets a solo. A draw is better than a defeat.

This has been an epic game of back-stabs and momentum shifts. Time to end it (says the little italian...)
20 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1908: As I've heard said: "All is Forgiven..."
20 Jan 15 UTC Spring, 1908: What say you, Franco-Austrian tyrants?
20 Jan 15 UTC I say that I don't do threats :)
20 Jan 15 UTC Hmmm... Do I defend Ankara, or Con... I can't believe I've let myself into this position... Ah well, still smiling :)
20 Jan 15 UTC Use my favorite Diplomacy strategy: toss a coin!
21 Jan 15 UTC Haha, no, I'll save the one which matters more if I lose it :/
21 Jan 15 UTC Alright, lets see if I can use my dwindling influence to try to be part of a draw. Here goes:

To Austria: if I disband Rome and Naples and keep units in Tyr and Ion, then France will get Rom and Nap and I can help them get Munich. They solo win and you get nothing. If you don't put up a draw vote prior to 1 hour before these next moves going through, that will be my default action. I know you don't like threats.... just think of it as a promise instead... (and you know I keep my word)... :-)

To France: If Austria puts up a draw vote as reqested, I will change my moves, and disband Smryna and Ion. France will get Smyrna. Naples will support-move Ven to Rom, giving it to France, Rom will move to Apu and help france hold Rom. I will subsequently release Nap to France, putting them at 18 and the solo. And you get nothing.

So, shall we draw?
21 Jan 15 UTC Noble gesture by Italy. In any case, I don't deserve to be part of a draw. I freely admit that. Best of luck, though, Italy.
21 Jan 15 UTC I can't delay my "offer" as my influence will just keep diminishing, so if there is a draw, you will be part of it.

If one of Austria or France does not vote draw, the other will solo. If neither votes draw, France will solo (I had to pick a default action to put pressure on one of them -- I arbitrarily chose Austria).
21 Jan 15 UTC Cool. Boy is this INTERESTING, eh, Austria?
21 Jan 15 UTC All I can say Italy is...you've got spunk.
21 Jan 15 UTC ... That's not fair! ;) - Stop playing dirty! :) - Can't he be your default kill? ;) - I'm certainly going to think about it :)
21 Jan 15 UTC Now thusbis intersting by itlay...- I think this is a great move and I can't wait to see how it play out... (I also can't waitt to see who itlay is....)
21 Jan 15 UTC Half way there. Austria's vote is in. My moves have now changed to throw the game to Austria so that they get the solo. Over to you France. Time to vote draw (please) and end this most excellent game.
21 Jan 15 UTC This is the best play I've seen in Diplomacy for a long time; no matter what France decides to do. They should put this in a text book.
22 Jan 15 UTC Pulling the rug out from under my feet, eh!!! This is unexpected indeed.
22 Jan 15 UTC No draw vote from France yet. It would appear that he is skeptical that Austria can be made to solo. Probably thinks he can at least force a stand-off in Naples or Rom. Let's review the plan:

- I have entered orders to disband Smyrna and Naples (yes, different than what I said above, makes it easier to assure Austria gets Naples and Rom without a standoff...)
- In the spring, my army in Tyr supports the hold of Mun. France can attack Mun with strength 3, but it is defended with strength 3, nothing changes. France may move Ska to Baltic so that in the fall he can cut support from Berlin in the hope that Munich falls. But Austria will move Vie to Boh and Prussia to Silesia so that Mun is well supported and Mun can support-hold Berlin to ensure that doesn't fall. Austria's line in Germany is well supported and in fact Tyr becomes unnecessary to Austria at this point.
- Also in the spring, Austria walks into Smyrna for +1 and Austria is at 16
- Also in the spring, Austria convoys his newly-built army from Trieste (make sure you build an army Austria!) to Naples via his fleet in Adr and my fleet in Ion. +1 more, and Austria is at 17.
- All that is left for Austria is to get Rom and he wins. This is the tricky part, and I will come back to that.
- France will get into Tyr Sea. Nothing we can do to stop that. It is probably the presence of that unit that is still giving you hope France. But it won't be enough.
- Back to the battle for Rom (what it all comes down to, since that is what Austria needs for 18):
- in the spring my army in Rom will move to Apu. Austria's army will move Ven to Rom.
- if I hadn't told you that plan France, you may have moved Tus to Rom for a bounce. If so, in the fall your fleet could help Tus into Rom for a strength 2 attack, but both Nap and Apu would support Ven for a strength 3. Austria gets Rom and the win. And at that point you can't take Ven, because Austria would have moved a new unit into Trieste in the spring (from Bud) and can support it into Ven with Adr you will bounce even if you've managed to get your newly built army from Mars to Pie.
- But since I have told you the plan, you will say "hey, I will let him take Rom because he's leaving Venice unprotected" (remember: the fleet in Adr is convoying the army from Trieste, so there is nothing to backfill Ven). So... you may decide to let Ven get Rom and move your unit from Tus to get Ven, keeping Austria at 17. So be it -- if you do that, then in the fall Austria can easily support Rom (with naples and Apu), and Ven can easily be recaptured with Adr+Trieste+Tyr (all three likely needed since you will have built and army in Marseilles which you will have moved to Pie so you could support Vie).
22 Jan 15 UTC So, back to the point of all this: time to vote draw France!
22 Jan 15 UTC Italy, I congratulate you on a brilliant endgame.
Good game all. I won't forget this one soon.
22 Jan 15 UTC Well, that was fun. I like it when a weakling (i.e. me in this case) can away the outcome of a game. It is what diplomacy is all about!

Cheers all!
22 Jan 15 UTC -.-... Why did you draw? I would have withdrawn my draw if it came to that!

But well played Italy :)
22 Jan 15 UTC I'm not exactly sure why I drew; partially it was just a factor of timing; I opened up the game this morning and just thought: the heck with it. But the "Italian Gambit" was elegant enough that I just thought it was a nice ending to the game. Also, I must admit I was sorely tempted to go for a solo, and maybe there was a part of me that was just trying to shake the temptation. This way, I got to end the game with out stabbing my ally.
22 Jan 15 UTC *Sighs* - Be more ruthless - I was ready for a fight to the death ;)

But yes, it's a nice ending :)
23 Jan 15 UTC If any of you would be up for another, count me in. Quite a game and probably the luckiest draw I've ever been a part of
23 Jan 15 UTC I'm up for another! I set one up called "The Italian Gambit" with the same terms as this game. There are four places left...

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France
palesman (760 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
15 supply-centers, 12 units
Austria
Rodgersd09 (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
15 supply-centers, 12 units
Italy
dgibson987 (4565 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
3 supply-centers, 5 units
Russia
Ranscott47 (2874 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
1 supply-centers, 3 units
England
Ben K (373 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Germany
jhoffer007 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Turkey
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
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