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Finished: 05 PM Thu 22 Jan 15 UTC
Proper Diplomacy-4
1 days /phase (normal)
Pot: 175 D - Autumn, 1908, Finished
Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
Game drawn
21 Jan 15 UTC Haha, no, I'll save the one which matters more if I lose it :/
21 Jan 15 UTC Alright, lets see if I can use my dwindling influence to try to be part of a draw. Here goes:

To Austria: if I disband Rome and Naples and keep units in Tyr and Ion, then France will get Rom and Nap and I can help them get Munich. They solo win and you get nothing. If you don't put up a draw vote prior to 1 hour before these next moves going through, that will be my default action. I know you don't like threats.... just think of it as a promise instead... (and you know I keep my word)... :-)

To France: If Austria puts up a draw vote as reqested, I will change my moves, and disband Smryna and Ion. France will get Smyrna. Naples will support-move Ven to Rom, giving it to France, Rom will move to Apu and help france hold Rom. I will subsequently release Nap to France, putting them at 18 and the solo. And you get nothing.

So, shall we draw?
21 Jan 15 UTC Noble gesture by Italy. In any case, I don't deserve to be part of a draw. I freely admit that. Best of luck, though, Italy.
21 Jan 15 UTC I can't delay my "offer" as my influence will just keep diminishing, so if there is a draw, you will be part of it.

If one of Austria or France does not vote draw, the other will solo. If neither votes draw, France will solo (I had to pick a default action to put pressure on one of them -- I arbitrarily chose Austria).
21 Jan 15 UTC Cool. Boy is this INTERESTING, eh, Austria?
21 Jan 15 UTC All I can say Italy is...you've got spunk.
21 Jan 15 UTC ... That's not fair! ;) - Stop playing dirty! :) - Can't he be your default kill? ;) - I'm certainly going to think about it :)
21 Jan 15 UTC Now thusbis intersting by itlay...- I think this is a great move and I can't wait to see how it play out... (I also can't waitt to see who itlay is....)
21 Jan 15 UTC Half way there. Austria's vote is in. My moves have now changed to throw the game to Austria so that they get the solo. Over to you France. Time to vote draw (please) and end this most excellent game.
21 Jan 15 UTC This is the best play I've seen in Diplomacy for a long time; no matter what France decides to do. They should put this in a text book.
22 Jan 15 UTC Pulling the rug out from under my feet, eh!!! This is unexpected indeed.
22 Jan 15 UTC No draw vote from France yet. It would appear that he is skeptical that Austria can be made to solo. Probably thinks he can at least force a stand-off in Naples or Rom. Let's review the plan:

- I have entered orders to disband Smyrna and Naples (yes, different than what I said above, makes it easier to assure Austria gets Naples and Rom without a standoff...)
- In the spring, my army in Tyr supports the hold of Mun. France can attack Mun with strength 3, but it is defended with strength 3, nothing changes. France may move Ska to Baltic so that in the fall he can cut support from Berlin in the hope that Munich falls. But Austria will move Vie to Boh and Prussia to Silesia so that Mun is well supported and Mun can support-hold Berlin to ensure that doesn't fall. Austria's line in Germany is well supported and in fact Tyr becomes unnecessary to Austria at this point.
- Also in the spring, Austria walks into Smyrna for +1 and Austria is at 16
- Also in the spring, Austria convoys his newly-built army from Trieste (make sure you build an army Austria!) to Naples via his fleet in Adr and my fleet in Ion. +1 more, and Austria is at 17.
- All that is left for Austria is to get Rom and he wins. This is the tricky part, and I will come back to that.
- France will get into Tyr Sea. Nothing we can do to stop that. It is probably the presence of that unit that is still giving you hope France. But it won't be enough.
- Back to the battle for Rom (what it all comes down to, since that is what Austria needs for 18):
- in the spring my army in Rom will move to Apu. Austria's army will move Ven to Rom.
- if I hadn't told you that plan France, you may have moved Tus to Rom for a bounce. If so, in the fall your fleet could help Tus into Rom for a strength 2 attack, but both Nap and Apu would support Ven for a strength 3. Austria gets Rom and the win. And at that point you can't take Ven, because Austria would have moved a new unit into Trieste in the spring (from Bud) and can support it into Ven with Adr you will bounce even if you've managed to get your newly built army from Mars to Pie.
- But since I have told you the plan, you will say "hey, I will let him take Rom because he's leaving Venice unprotected" (remember: the fleet in Adr is convoying the army from Trieste, so there is nothing to backfill Ven). So... you may decide to let Ven get Rom and move your unit from Tus to get Ven, keeping Austria at 17. So be it -- if you do that, then in the fall Austria can easily support Rom (with naples and Apu), and Ven can easily be recaptured with Adr+Trieste+Tyr (all three likely needed since you will have built and army in Marseilles which you will have moved to Pie so you could support Vie).
22 Jan 15 UTC So, back to the point of all this: time to vote draw France!
22 Jan 15 UTC Italy, I congratulate you on a brilliant endgame.
Good game all. I won't forget this one soon.
22 Jan 15 UTC Well, that was fun. I like it when a weakling (i.e. me in this case) can away the outcome of a game. It is what diplomacy is all about!

Cheers all!
22 Jan 15 UTC -.-... Why did you draw? I would have withdrawn my draw if it came to that!

But well played Italy :)
22 Jan 15 UTC I'm not exactly sure why I drew; partially it was just a factor of timing; I opened up the game this morning and just thought: the heck with it. But the "Italian Gambit" was elegant enough that I just thought it was a nice ending to the game. Also, I must admit I was sorely tempted to go for a solo, and maybe there was a part of me that was just trying to shake the temptation. This way, I got to end the game with out stabbing my ally.
22 Jan 15 UTC *Sighs* - Be more ruthless - I was ready for a fight to the death ;)

But yes, it's a nice ending :)
23 Jan 15 UTC If any of you would be up for another, count me in. Quite a game and probably the luckiest draw I've ever been a part of
23 Jan 15 UTC I'm up for another! I set one up called "The Italian Gambit" with the same terms as this game. There are four places left...
palesman (861 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
15 supply-centers, 12 units
Rodgersd09 (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
15 supply-centers, 12 units
dgibson987 (4565 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
3 supply-centers, 5 units
Ranscott47 (2874 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
1 supply-centers, 3 units
Ben K (373 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
jhoffer007 (30 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
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