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Finished: 08 AM Thu 04 Dec 14 UTC
European Conquest-9
1 day /phase
Pot: 40 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
21 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1904: I repeat: If all you had wanted to do was stay in Greece, then your best choice, and the one which would have avoided our current situation, would have been to agree to the bounce. I still don't understand why you didn't do so.
21 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1904: and now i dont know if i can trust u...
21 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1904: because u say one and do another...
21 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1904: pls remove fleet from aegean sea
21 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1904: Never said I wasn't going to Aegean Sea, I asked you if you wanted to bounce, as a gesture of good will. I could remove the fleet from the Aegean Sea, sure, no problem.
21 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1904: thx
21 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Austria, I understand your fear, and it is fully justified. Now, though, you seem busy, and I hope I have demonstrated the honestly of my intent.
24 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1905: Germany go to Russia there is free land. dont let Turkey become strong.
24 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1905: Free land? No there isn't, that's where I'm going.
24 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1905: Austria, I have no quarrel with you. My quarrel at this point lies more with Germany than you, even. Let's just have me take over what's left available of Russia, and I can help you withstand the invasion. In any case, you will not be attacked from my side, and Italy seems likewise busy. Pleas protect yourself properly, it isn't even like I can actually attack.
25 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1905: Just looking at the map, Austria and Turkey have to be allies if they want to survive. Just sayin.
25 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1905: yes, Russia dont play so, Germany can take Skandinavia for free... Germany and France have together 16 supplies! so we: Turkey, Italy and Austria, we must cooperate!
25 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1905: I'm up for cooperation. I'll just go grab Moscow, you can hold onto Austria proper, right?

Italy, do you need any help?
25 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1905: Well, you could send your fleet to the western part of the mediterranean for fun, since no need to be in Aegean.
25 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1905: So, Aegean to Ionian? I'm okay with that, yeah.
25 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1905: So, Naples will belong to Turkey very soon...
25 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1905: Why on earth would I even take Naples? There's no future there without lots and lots of support, which would take forever to arrive, and be intercepted by Greece. I am not in a mood to give you all of Italy for free, which would be the obvious consequence.
26 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: especially to me...
26 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: it is funny but Turkey has more chance to win with 2 weak allies (Italy and Austria) then with 2 big enemies like France and Germany:>
26 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Turkey pls dont move to bulgaria... it is important for me to feel save.
26 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Okay, Bulgaria will be empty, no problem.

Italy, you look mostly okay for now. From what I can see, you have a good chance of containing France, if nothing more. Don't hesitate to ask for help, though.
26 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: France, please don't ignore Germany. He has 9 centers now, 10 when you add he stuff he has easily. Then all it takes is a good stab of you, and a bit of advancement in the Austrian/Russian front, and he's far ahead.
27 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: Turkey, I would like your help in the western med in 2 turns, at the least to protect Tunis so I can continue to keep France away from my homeland.

France, I echo Turkey's suggestion, because I can keep you at bay for at least several turns, whereas going after Germany is much more fruitful.
27 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1905: France if you notice I am voting for the draw. Turkey is not. So keep that it mind with his instigating.
27 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1906: Okay, if that's the argument, I'm happy to vote for the draw. It's not an accurate measure of intentions though, so let's stop using it as one.

Italy, so you're fine at the moment.
27 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1906: I do
28 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1906: Italy, Austria, what do we do?
28 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1906: Rampage. Maybe even some pillaging
28 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1906: Okay guys, I like this. Germany gets two build unfortunately, but there was nothing we'd ever do about that. Austria, our clear goal here has to be to kick Germany out of your land, and then we can set up some sort of defensive front.
Italy, kill all movement along your front, and we'll be fine.
28 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1907: Hey Austria, tell me if you want Rumania to do anything. In any case, we should certainly do something, given that we can take Galicia out easily, what with having 3 on two that have nothing better to do. If Rumania goes in, the advantage is that it draws replaceable units into the fight, though it could make you less secure against me.
29 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1907: go to Galicia
29 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: Okay guys, we have some consolidation now.

Italy, you're going to lose West Med, so let's make a fallback line. I can have a unit in Ionian easily. That can either means a support hold for Tunis, or one for Tyrrhenian Sea. An attack on Tyrrhenian sea has max power two, as does Tunis. I suggest a fleet in Tuscany support holding a fleet in Tyrrhenian Sea, with my fleet in the Ionian support holding the army in Tunis. At that point we only need to consider Pie as an access point. We need two power at Pie. If we have an Austrian unit in Pie being support held from Venice, France will have been stopped. Austria, do you have a unit that can do that?
29 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: pls turkey do the same movements this turn:)
29 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: Sure, no problem.
29 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: but u can move your fleet to help Italy
30 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: Ok, that guarantees things, but I think I can hold France off for another few turns without Austria's help, freeing that unit to help against Germany for a while. That is a solid fallback plan though.
30 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: Okay. Do you want a fleet in Ionian Sea?
30 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: Oooh, I like this round. Went a lot better than I expected it to.

Italy, good work. I didn't actually expect that to happen. You've delayed the loss of West Med. What line are we building? I have a couple ideas, so if you can't think of anything, I might be able to help a bit, but for now, just tell me if you need me to help with something.
30 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1908: Austria, I will be holding the line from Moscow to Galicia. I'm leaving Vienna and Tyrolia to you. I'm also leaving whether you'd like to try to displace Bohemia to you. I would like to request a support hold on Galicia from Budapest, due to the fact that even with a support hold from Rumania, it could be taken. Otherwise, I don't have the resources to help with anything, given that Galicia is probably going to be bumped anyway, and Ukraine and Sevastopol have to hold Moscow down. Galicia can try to do something, I guess.
30 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1908: Actually, what would be a perfect defense is that my fleets would be in Lyon and Peidmont, Turkey's in Tyrrhenian supporting Lyon, and Austria in Ionian supporting Tunis. Then my army in Venice could support Tyrolia.
30 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1908: I'm glad to hear that, since that was one of the ideas I had. Should I move to Tyrr then?
30 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1908: Budapest and Rumania can keep Galicia.
Honestly, this game is a draw unless if there is backstabbing. Germany wins if Turkey or Austria stab each other, and stabbing me won't help them. France stabbing Germany would be the most effective way to end the draw. If nothing happens in the next 2 to 3 turns, the game is a draw as far as I can tell.
30 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1908: Yeah do that Turkey, and hopefully Austria sees this in time to move to Ionian
30 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: Okay, in things I didn't think of, first, I didn't think of being the only one who hadn't readied orders. Two, never mind about the botched support, it was a one in two chance, and it failed.
30 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: Now just support Lyon and we are good. France can't take Tunis with just one unit.
30 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: Austria just needs to support Galicia and move to Ionian, and attempt some sort of offensive again.
30 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: Austria, since Budapest doesn't need to support hold Vienna (there isn't any potential attack on that), please support Galicia. Attack Bohemia again, I'll support something. And lastly, move to Ionian Sea, we might need it.
01 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 1909: Austria, are you even paying attention? I'm happy with the results of this phase - nothing bad happened, since nothing happened.

What I object to is your continued use of Budapest to support hold a unit that isn't threatened while I could technically have lost Galicia twice already now. Unless you want Vienna to suddenly actually be under threat, and for Germany to take yet another center, use Budapest to support hold the unit in Galicia.
Also, move Greece to Ionian Sea. It's not like it can do anything productive in Greece at this point. In Ionian Sea, it can protect us from the loss of of Tunis, and potentially all of continental Italy as well.
02 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 1909: ok
02 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 1909: France and Italy, draw?

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