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Finished: 04 AM Thu 20 Nov 14 UTC
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1 day /phase
Pot: 804 D - Autumn, 1911, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
05 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1906: Good game, everyone.
09 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1908: The game is locked in a draw
09 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1908: There is a draw
10 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: Please vote draw...
11 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: Englishman please vote draw. The game is over.
13 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1909: English when i vote draw i show you to have a clear vision of the map and also to respect you. I think it for two reasons:

One) i get that nobody can win because the 2 ways draw in a wta game is impossible

Two) because i belive you will put your best moves

If you don't vote draw you don't respect me and italian player

What do you think to do when you'll put an army in st.pete and one in livonia??? Nothing!! Nothing because is all locked!!!
13 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1909: I've had a 2-way draw in a wta, so impossible is the wrong word.
13 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1909: Don't be a jerk who can't admit reality, England. Vote draw.
13 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1909: maybe not impossible but certainly dangerous and requires a same number of centers during the latter phases. Anyway when i see in a wta game a 2 ways draw i think that could be under a metagaming.

Thanks for supports Archiduke ;)
14 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1909: Is someone still sore about Munich, Austria?
14 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: Englishman wrote this to me in private:

“Now now, Russia, your negotiation skills leave much to be desired. Certainly this is no way for the weakest player in the game to address the strongest, especially when he comes requesting charity.”

I say publicly: English

1) your negotation leave much to be desired too..and to be honest I do not feel a strong and expert player.. I’m still learning. I made several mistakes. The most important with the Austrian player to which I gave an explanation and an apologies.

2) The numbers of centers don't say anything about the strength of a player, above all if one person get a good position without enemies (France has admitted that this was his first game while the German left after he was your loyal ally)
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3) I'm not asking charity, The map says there is a draw. If you don't understand this point or you are a beginner and don't see the reality or you are idiot. Choose what you think is right for you.

Anyway now I'm retreating armies to mos and sev. If you aren't going to vote draw i will call the admin.
14 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: Nope, I find it amusing though that you would think I'm so petty. Curiosity made me look back at the game, and an impartial assessment of the map reveals the obvious stalemate line so in the interest of fairness and practicality those remaining deserve a draw. It actually reveals something about your own outlook on the game if you think that would be my motivator. I guess it is too late for you to not be a jerk, now you have to stop being one.
14 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: Russia: Please do. It is my understanding that a draw occurs when all players agree to a draw--not when one decides to throw a hissy fit and insult the others until they draw. Funny that you didn't publicly post the messages you sent to me before I responded with mine. Hmm.
In any case, I'm tired of listening to you whine.
15 Nov 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: I find it interesting that twice now Russia has brought up getting mods involved. Just recently, than before when I said I was in a 2 way WTA draw that it must be metagaming (i.e. - call the mods).
15 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1910: A draw is the only reasonable solution to a physical stalemate.
17 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1911: I have contacted the admin.
A player who can not read a map and does not accept the reality of the facts is not a good player!!
Englih if you are in the final phase of this game is just because you were lucky.
17 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1911: Russia, you crack me up. There has been one entire turn with no movement, and you contacted the admin already? Hilarious. Is a country not allowed to observe the stalemate lines WHICH JUST FORMED THIS PAST TURN and decide if he thinks he can break them before you go call mommy? Have you never been part of a game where someone has a 'stalemate line' and doesn't support it correctly? Or is England not allowed to actually observe that?

Also, I don't understand the use of the word 'if' in your last sentence.
17 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1911: Everything I've seen supports the fact that Italy and Russia are positioned and supporting the stalemate line in the correct way to make it impossible to breach. Neither can England be pushed back.
17 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1911: It was just two turns ago that Russia pushed into StP instead of holding the stalemate line. It appears Russia realized his mistake and backed out, and the stalemate line looks good now - but is what England doing such an offense that Russia should call the mods on a stalemate line that just was formed this past turn? Hardly.
17 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1911: Of course i agree with Austrian player.
Turkish, i usually don't accept teachings from loser (like you). And i'm not going to start now.
I still have a building to do and if i had kept stp i would have built in sevastopol preserving the stalemate line.
Anyway in chess the strong players drop out or draw having many pieces on the board. Without, therefore, waiting a checkmate.
The draw was clear for several rounds. Only a beginner/stupid does not understand it.
Your words do not surprise me. You joined in a game already started, you proposed me an absurd plan and have always attacked me.
So I'm not surprised if you do not understand what I and Austrian say.
17 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1911: LOL - so the fact that I joined a game already started, because I was sad that a high stakes game like this had a CD, knowing I was going into a bad situation (let's be honest - every CD is a bad situation) makes me stupid? As I mentioned to several people, I came into the game prepared to lose, but with the goal of at least having a real game for the people who invested this amount of points to play. Perhaps it would have been better for you to beat up on an CD Turkey so you could grow instead of actually having to have an opponent next to you? That does sound like someone who asks mommy for help in every problem they come across.

Go ahead Russia, run off to mommy. Complain that the big bad Englishman won't call a draw that just actually emerged this morning.

See, your problem with comparisons to strong players in Chess is that this game is all anonymous. England has no way of knowing that you're not a drooling moron (well, I think he knows you might be now based on your poor grammar skills and proclivity to run to authority figures when you aren't winning) when trying to see if his opponents will set up a decent stalemate line. Is he not allowed to actually witness that his opponents are competent before declaring a draw?
17 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1911: Oh, and I understand what the Austrian says - and I wasn't going to get involved in the discussion until you said you called the mods. That is just so juvenile I had to say something - mostly to mock you for your immaturity of calling mommy to help you.
17 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1911: Draw is the only reasonable end of the game since I built an army in Rome instead of a fleet. It was 1906... Obviously the map evolved in the only one way possible.
18 Nov 14 UTC Spring, 1911: 1) I haven't criticized your entry into the game. It is equally undeniable that "eastern triangle" was much more complex than "western triangle." In fact there was no major battle in the "western triangle".

2) I have several doubts about the fact that English is bad. I just think he's idiot.

3) I know my english is no good and my grammar is poor but FORTUNATLY i'm not american or english. The english language is only a means to try to exchange an information among people of different culture (Don't worry i speak very well my idiom)

4) You'are not stupid but what you write it is. I think you are cocky and maybe angry for the defeat. When i lose I'm quiet and do not dispense teachings.
18 Nov 14 UTC You criticized my entry in your previous post during a litany of my poor decision making. And I really wasn't going to get involved in the discussion after I was defeated, as I usually stop paying attention to the game - and I've avoided discussing the game for the most part. My only reason for talking was because of you calling the mods prematurely - not for any game-related moves or anything. If you stuck to what Austria\Italy have been doing and trying to convince England to draw I would have been silent, as what they are doing is the mature way to handle the situation.

As I've said my piece, I'll go back to slinking in the corner.

And yes, I am cocky, but not angry about the defeat. I figured I would lose, I just thought I'd help out a high stakes game with a CD. Points don't mean anything to me - I just like enjoyable games and wish others to have the same.
18 Nov 14 UTC I enjoyed this your last post. I have no problem telling you that see you again in another game for me will be a pleasure.

Concluding. You wrote: ... you calling the mods prematurely.
Well, for me it was not premature. Maybe, this your opinion, let me, comes from a different view of the map.
I'm not running from anyone. I just want finish a game that can not give anything.
I belive it was clear a long time ago.
19 Nov 14 UTC Thank you ;)
I have started another game called "cui bono?". Pals if you want you can enter.
See you.

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England
cbuback (710 D)
Drawn. Bet: 100 D, won: 268 D
17 supply-centers, 17 units
Italy
Brancaleone (136 D)
Drawn. Bet: 100 D, won: 268 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Russia
Bruno Stachel (549 D)
Drawn. Bet: 100 D, won: 268 D
7 supply-centers, 6 units
France
LancerSykera (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
Germany
ToddTheGreat (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
Austria
RampantLion (939 D)
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
Turkey
awgray (664 D)
Defeated. Bet: 104 D
Civil Disorders
Sulram (100 D)Turkey (Spring, 1902) with 4 centres.
ToddTheGreat (100 D)Germany (Autumn, 1905) with 3 centres.
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