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Finished: 01 Nov 09 UTC
Private Premier League Autumn 2009, Game 1
1 days, 1 hours /phase (normal)
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1908, Finished
Draw-Size Scoring
Game drawn
11 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1905: I think you might be mixing up your stereotypes there...
11 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1905: The French smell of garlic, so cannot smell the Germans of the garlic, however repugnant the Germans may be.
11 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1905: I have now been accused, in private, of trying to stop the game because I only have 2 SCs left. That is offensive and I have said so. My position is one of principle and it was stated very clearly in here and in various private messages at the time the game was first affected.

Quite simply, if we cannot hold the Premier League to the very highest standards and respond so as to secure a truly level laying field when external factors seriously disturb games then it is not worthy of its name. And, game officials must never, in any sport/game, benefit from events that go beyond the normal rules and even more so where their actions have in part caused these abnormal conditions. Simple.
12 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1905: Oh shut up.
12 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1905: Well, guess who made that accusation then.

This game has not been brought to a result yet and I see no reason not to continue my protest up until that point. I know I have taken a somewhat moral stance and that this can be irritating in itself but I will not stand by and allow myself to be accused of trying to gain an advantage. I wanted this game restarted immediately after the error occurred. You will have a hard time establishing anything different.

I was forced to play on because of the threat to remove me and I took the opportunity to try to get a fair result for all by arguing for a draw. That failed. The game is now moving quickly towards a result in favour of at least England. I am hardly going to say, oh never mind, he played well enough and just let this slide.
12 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1905: Oh shut up.
12 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1905: "benefit from events that go beyond the normal rules"

Look, in every other circumstance, when somebody NMRs, it just happens and we play on. How was my saying that if six other people wanted to, we could restart in any way attempting to profit from it. If I wanted to profit from it, I would have said "tough luck, you should enter moves before unpausing".
12 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1905: You profitted from the position itself, not the words you used in accepting it.

The reference to normal behaviour and NMRs is also irrelevant: this was not a situation where a player was solely at fault for not entering moves. You have already confirmed that you were in active discussion with France and also surprised by the sudden jump in the game turn. I have no doubt that you would have waited for France if you had been aware that the game would otherwise jump, I therefore see no reason why you should not have immediately stepped in to deal with the error at the time it occurred.
12 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1905: O.S.U.
19 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: 22hours to go?? thought it would be around now. something happened to the server? lets check the forum
19 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: Indeed...what on Earth???
19 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: The processor was a little screwy last night, so extra time has been added.
23 Nov 09 UTC Hello - I am using IE8 and having persistent problems in opening Game Two. Anyone else getting this?
24 Nov 09 UTC I don't know whether no-one replied or whether they did and I can't see it, but I am getting two serious problems with Webdiplomacy right now.

1) Can't open Game Two. Keep getting this message: "Error triggered: A software exception was not caught: "The game has moved on, you can no longer alter these orders, please refresh.".

This was probably caused by a software bug. The details of this error have been successfully logged and will be attended to by a developer."

2) I keep getting old versions of pages, some several moves old without most recent press. I have changed my browser settings and keep deleting my cache so it's forcing the most recent information but this only seems part-effective.

Is it only me experiencing this? I realize we're not exactly all-systems go anyway, but this whole thing is becoming so flaky it's borderline unplayable.
24 Nov 09 UTC i havent had any problems recently(at home) - im on firefox.
at work i always get the old global page/old map when opening a game but as soon as i click on a persons name to chat to them directly the map readjusts to the current turn and when i got back to global it also has.
24 Nov 09 UTC have you aksed about this in the forum? if so and no one had this problem then it looks like its something to do with your pc/browser

however this last 2 weeks with the new ordering method and updates there have been a lot of bugs- i see even now the server is not processing games and kestas is looking into what went wrong, maybe we should put of restarting game 2 until things settle
24 Nov 09 UTC I very briefly logged on from a computer running IE8 and saw similar behaviour. It seems to be IE8, as I have not had the issue with FireFox, IE7, Opera or Chrome. Does sound like a caching issue. I realise it may sound silly, but is your system clock set correctly? I've seen incorrect system times confuse the caching mechanism in some browsers.
24 Nov 09 UTC Thanks for those pointers - I had the issue with IE6 before, which is why I just upgraded to IE8. Funnily enough I was using a different PC with IE7 last week and had no problems.

I keep purging Temp Internet Files but it isn't helping, so I don't think it's a caching issue. My clock at the bottom right says 14:26.
24 Nov 09 UTC Draw votes anyone?
25 Nov 09 UTC Well I have to be happy with that outcome playing a central power and after coming under early attack from two enemies. Looks like Game Two is starting the same way! Thanks guys :-)

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sean (3490 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
12 supply-centers, 10 units
TheGhostmaker (565 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
12 supply-centers, 11 units
Polar Bear (1038 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
10 supply-centers, 11 units
destp (2774 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
gryncat (2631 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
flashman (2274 D (G))
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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