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Finished: 09 AM Sat 03 May 14 UTC
codespeak
1 days, 1 hours /phase
Pot: 112 D - Autumn, 2004, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by FlemJ (240 D)
23 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2002: Might be too late for that, but I will cease attacking him for now.
23 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2002: Thanks Spain, its because Switserland needs to hold Milan, and if he looses Marseille, he could disband one of the other units. And he sees he needs to keep Turkey out of tuskey. I would also advise you to get Alsac and Auxere empty, so he can feel safe
24 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2002: ok, the stalemate line is almost set. Egypt, you need to keep the army in Libya, and your fleet in Maltese Sea has to go to Tunis in the spring! Spain, you need to get fleets in the Maltese sea so Egypt can support hold it, and a fleet in tyrrhenian sea so it can support hold Naples. After that, the stalemate lines are set.
24 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2002: Got it, but I will have to destroy all but 2 units.
24 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2002: yes, keep the fleet in Malthese and the army in libya, those two are neede fot the stalemate.
24 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2002: needed for.

PS, poland, the fact that you arent on civil disorder, or we dont see you have left the game shows you are still opening this game. So act like it please and keep support holding latvia...
26 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2002: and now he left :)
27 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2003: Ok, if Egypt moves his fleet in Maltese sea to Tunis, and uses that fleet to support hold a spanish fleet in the Maltese sea in the fall, and Spain moves a fleet there and one to tyrrhenian Sea to support hold the fleet in Naples in the fall turn, the stalemate is complete. (as long as Germany support holds Prussia with the fleet in Bhm sea and Russia supports hold Lithuania. Turkey can kick my fleet ouf of Latvia, but that can support hold Lithuania the next turn and he cant do anything against that.
27 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2003: )
27 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2003: okay
27 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2003: Germany, can you move in to take Gdansk. That would make it more worthwhile to myself and Turkey as well, so he will agree.
27 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2003: No, dont do that, that would mean losing Lithuania, and Gdansk the turn after. Its just the one unit that is making the difference
27 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2003: i mean, reading this chat, i dont think Russia will cooperate and him moving against us would do us harm.
28 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2003: Germany, are you there?
28 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2003: Why is Spain attacking me?
28 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2003: i dont see him attacking you? Were did he do that?
28 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2003: I think Egypt mixed up his own move to Tunis. If you look at the order history you can see Spain didn't attack.
28 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2003: Yep, I did.
28 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2003: Sorry.
28 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2003: Hey Italy, finaly reading the chat :)
29 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2003: Spain, I'll hold your fleet, your army hold mine.
29 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2003: Britain, of course I was reading. Otherwise I wouldn't have joined your stalemate.
29 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2003: Spain, can you support hold Naples?
29 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2003: Well, in a Gunboat, it also would have been the best course of action.

It looks like Germany is gone. Thats a problem. I think we can keep the stalemate as Russia support holds Prussia this turn. I move into Bhm sea and spain needs to move army's to Ruhr, Alsac and the fleet in North sea to Holland. We can afford to loose Lituania.

Germany let us know if you come online again, Spain an Russia, please check an hour before the end of this turn if he has reacted. If so, return to old moves, otherwise, i would like to ask you to do what i just asked.

IF the rest just support hold each other, we still prevent him from winning.
29 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2003: still here
29 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2003: ah nice, what happened? Just forgot to put in orders?
30 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2003: yeah, out of town
30 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2003: Spain, I'll support Maltese Sea. Support Naples if you trust Italy. I think Italy is with us now. It's obvious Turkey is Attacking anyone on his fronts.
30 Apr 14 UTC Autumn, 2003: You have tot support Naples, or he is going tot break through the stalemate line
30 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2004: ok, if i support gdanks and thyrr sea supports Naples, the stalemate is set. Be aware that as long as we keep it for 3 turns, the mods will force the draw.
30 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2004: England and Spain, may I ask why my win would be so bad?
30 Apr 14 UTC Spring, 2004: because your win would be my defeat?
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: He does have a point. He has done very well and deserves the win, but I will still play for the stalemate. Won't he still get the most points in a draw?
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: Yea, I'm pretty loose in general. I would actually get more points if Turkey won, but assuming we can eliminate a straggler or 2 *cough - Russia*, I'm fine with a draw.
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: I am a straggler too. If it will make everyone happy, and you can all trust each other to commit to a draw if I "resign/lose," would you all agree to a draw?
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: I have removed my DRAW vote.
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: Also GB - there's a difference between a defeat and a survival. You would still get a survival in this game were turkey to win, which reflects positively on you in the standings since you still get points.
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: he played very well? He defeated poland quiet well, but he got most of it handed over by Russia,who was to much focussed on the north.

But the main point for me, defeat and survive both means the same thing to me. That i lost. So i dont want both of them.

About Russia and Egypt, they are both on the stalemate line and Turkey just needs one center more. So we both need them for the draw. If we try to commit us to kicking them out, they could hand over victory to Turkey. So by reading this chat, they know what to expect and act on it. So i dont want to risk it.
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: Holding the line.
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: I could take Naples next turn and nothing else, but I'd need either Spain or Italy's agreement.
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: You need Spain's agreement. If doesn't support hold on Naples it's okay.
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: Thank-you, Italy.
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: Spain, you little stabber. Why am I not surprised?
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: Actually, I was always at war with you when you kept refusing to cooperate, I was just taking a break :)

Well played game Turkey, you do deserve the W.
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: You could at least have told me that.

Anyway, Turkey congrats with the win.
01 May 14 UTC Spring, 2004: Thank-you. It was fun!
01 May 14 UTC I would also like to thank Egypt for allowing me to use some of his supply centers. Thank-you!
02 May 14 UTC Egypt, I'm supporting you in Libya.
02 May 14 UTC You did deserve the win, after all.
02 May 14 UTC Spain, its clear you dont know the meaning of the game. Either you win, or you prevent the other from winning. Congrats Turkey, although i do think you got it hand ed over once you beat po land.

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Turkey
FlemJ (240 D)
Won. Bet: 10 D, won: 58 D
33 supply-centers, 32 units
Spain
dagabs0 (20698 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 28 D
16 supply-centers, 10 units
Britain
Victorious (768 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 11 D
6 supply-centers, 7 units
Germany
stupidfighter (253 D)
Survived. Bet: 12 D, won: 9 D
5 supply-centers, 6 units
Italy
karlos (698 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 4 D
2 supply-centers, 6 units
Egypt
nicknukem (140 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 2 D
1 supply-centers, 2 units
Russia
rragnarrok (137 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 2 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
France
Cesarz (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Poland
ErickTehBawse (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Ukraine
ggy (690 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
ErickTehBawse (100 D)Poland (Autumn, 2002) with 1 centres.
ElJammos (100 D)Germany (Spring, 1995) with 6 centres.
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