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Finished: 12 AM Mon 05 Oct 09 UTC
Please not Italy
2 days /phase
Pot: 80 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
Classic, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
28 Sep 09 UTC Autumn, 1902: I agree completely.
28 Sep 09 UTC Autumn, 1902: I call for a draw.
28 Sep 09 UTC Autumn, 1902: CD is never nice, but happens in nearly every game. The only way to avoid it, is to play expensive games. But even there they drop out from time to time :-(
28 Sep 09 UTC Autumn, 1902: I know, but it still irks me. Based on the large numbers that I've experienced in my relatively short time on this site, I may decide to drop it.
28 Sep 09 UTC Autumn, 1902: Another possibility is to join games with passwords. Most of them are made for the same reason. Only "trusted" players shall get a password, though you sometimes get the password in the forum.
29 Sep 09 UTC Spring, 1903: I have even started a game called Devotion: play on even if it looks bad, and there after 3 turns one cd't also. Go figure. I hate it as well, but I see no reason to call for a draw. Like England said, it happens in nearly every game. Sometimes in your favour, sometimes not.
29 Sep 09 UTC Spring, 1903: I know - I'm just venting ;)
29 Sep 09 UTC Spring, 1903: I am currently keeping track on good and devoted players, and I'll probably gather up the next game by inviting these guys for a rematch. In that game, CD'ing will result in my late granny haunting the poor soul who dares to do that! :)
29 Sep 09 UTC Spring, 1903: nice try! I admire your sportsmanship though, or is it gamesmanship. ;-)
29 Sep 09 UTC Spring, 1903: That's a good idea...
29 Sep 09 UTC Spring, 1903: I'm giving mid-game France a try. It doesn't look like her position has been horribly weakenned thru inaction.
29 Sep 09 UTC Spring, 1903: You are very much welcome here, Sir! This will save the game balance big time!
29 Sep 09 UTC Spring, 1903: Welcome indeed, france has been played strangely up till now, hopefully it gets better now!
29 Sep 09 UTC Spring, 1903: Welcome France. Any active player is welcome in this game :-)
05 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1904: Kiel Tribune: "Over one million Germans have voluntarily entered the work camps of the Russian army. The workers are laying foundations of Czargrad, the new capital of the German vassal state. Elsewhere, the 2nd Reich is burning."
05 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1904: Pravda: "Bad food and five o'clock tea have become a fashion trend in St. Petersburg. Will gin & tonic replace vodka?"
05 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1904: The Times: "Eye witnesses tell: witches are frequent visitors in Buckingham Palace. Does the king use black magic in his diplomacy? How does he master his puppets?"
05 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1904: Gazzetta di Roma: "Special discount today. Two pizzas for the price of one."
06 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1904: lol
06 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1904: Damn these witches - and I told them to move more inconspicuously..
15 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1905: It was good playing with all of you - this was a fun one!
15 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1905: Thanks Mack Eye, it has been fun indeed. One of the most complicated and interesting games I have played for a while.
16 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1905: The shifting alliances in this have been very interesting to watch, even if I have to do it from the Sultanbunker :)
16 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1905: It has been fun playing with you as well. Keep following the game, some nice surprises may be in store still!
19 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1906: Hmmm...France/England vs. Italy/Russia...I think that in this scenario, speed in securing some of the critical chokepoints will be the deciding factor.
19 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1906: Oh, no alliance here. I stab Italy constantly! :)
20 Oct 09 UTC I propose a draw. We have a secure border, but no real chance of winning.
20 Oct 09 UTC what a surprise suggestion. Do you really feel France has a well deserved place in this draw?
20 Oct 09 UTC Of course I always deserve a win and everyone else a survive :)
A pity that not everyone agrees to it ... so I guess I will have to settle for a draw *sigh*
And of course also France deserves it - compared to many other players on this site (not in this game) he was more active in his part time than others in their complete games.
20 Oct 09 UTC Haha, funny man! As it has been fun to play with you. I just hate this ending. I would even rather let russia win by giving him all my sc's, instead of settling for a draw. but indeed, do we have a choice?
I agree that he was an active player, but his moves could have been better, like you said yourself. Being active does not earn you a draw does it? Quality moves do. And that is something different from following orders from your ally, which I guess in your case was the matter.
20 Oct 09 UTC Pug, why don't you take out France and we have a 3-way tie? I'll buy some popcorn and follow without interfering?
20 Oct 09 UTC Because he has a beautiful sister and promised me a date with her :) Or was it the woman living next door? Well, both too far away :(
20 Oct 09 UTC I bet 5 euros England would win.
20 Oct 09 UTC My, aren't we snarky this morning. Quality moves my ass. This stalemate wouldn't have been possible without Italy's brilliant "everyone defend" move last year, and the mechanism to achieve it in one move rather than three was my idea. ;)
20 Oct 09 UTC Credit where credit is due though... Russia & Italy, you played the most elaborate and convincing "I'm going to betray my ally, come join in the spoils" con I've ever seen, anywhere. If I hadn't fallen for it, you guys might have been fighting to survive now.
20 Oct 09 UTC France would last maybe 3 turns. A draw with three players makes a much better return. Go for it Pug! :)
20 Oct 09 UTC Conversely, Italy would last maybe 3 turns (at least two losses in 1 turn). Go for it Russia!
20 Oct 09 UTC My comment on the everyone defend of last year is the risk of losing 2 sc's. I figure you guys had already decided against it and that made it a shame. I always tend to force a way through if the odds are ok. In this case you guys aimed or a pathetic draw, never for a win. Sorry but that is just not my style and I have never enjoyed playing people who did aim for it. Lucky for you guys that I did not see it coming, just coz I never take it into account that other people play this lame. ;-) Maybe a winner takes it all is all that is left for me then...
Thanks for the compliments on our diplomatic skills though. It did work. We hoped you would fall for it and it did buy us the time we needed. I also think this shows how trustworty you are. ;-)
You must explain to me though, why on earth did you go to east med while you could have done damage in adr?

I must give you guys credit for sticking together, for recognizing that betraying each other would have resulted in defeat of both of you. but now knowing that france did join russia, Pug, you must feel some remorse? I am willing to change my initial thought of not stopping before you two are gone into a 3 way draw.. who bids?
20 Oct 09 UTC Ok, enough of chitchat. It is impossible to turn England and France against each other so why not face the facts. To my understanding I am the only player on the board who can take a solo victory if I so want.

However, MaikMik has played Italy greatly and he has made the best ally I have ever had in any game of Diplomacy. We actually formed the alliance from the very start and our strategy was to get Austria and Turkey against each other, both of us supporting the opposite side – until we were ready to crush the both. And that we did. Our strategies and diplomacy has been innovative and I have enjoyed the twists and turns of this game a lot with him.

Therefore I will not go for the solo victory either, which is a decision that I would normally do very rarely.

I too agree that the end of this game is not what I hoped for. We of course saw the stalemate line building up, but we were helpless to stop it. We just hoped to confuse you enough to slow down the development, so that we could punch to Marseilles before it's too late. Obviously we failed.

Pug in the lead of England has played a great game and the way he has influenced the decisions of Germany and France deserves a hat-raise. Nevertheless, I do not want to diminish the achievements of Garesh with France either. You have saved your country from a nearly hopeless situation and against all that I have tried to convince in contrary, your performance was really strong. Only you and Pug know who created the strategy for you, but the result is extremely good. And besides, I have never seen the stalemate line been built up so fast.

Therefore on my behalf, I don't want to play tricks and see if eventually one of you will NMR or CD. I am ready for draw. I thank you for a great game, you are all first class players!
20 Oct 09 UTC Interesting to see that france votes for the draw as soon as he could...
Garesch, you are lucky that I take every as it goes, or else I would mark you as enemy number one in our next encounter, if it will ever come! haha
20 Oct 09 UTC (And still I remind you that your side only holds neutrals + Kiel & St. Petersburg. We have conquered 3 countries.) ;)
20 Oct 09 UTC Well noticed, and very very true
I would suggest to the game makers to ven in a draw divide the points according to the number of sc's
20 Oct 09 UTC guys, well played. Even though I do not like these stalemates, I do appreciate how you worked towards it. Sorry to be snarky, as france put it, but I was testing your stubborness. ;-) No hard feelings?
20 Oct 09 UTC I agree with Russia. I always try to go for a solo, but at some point I also appreciate a good ally.
For a long time I tried to win, but Germany regretfully made two big mistakes. After that solo victory wasn't possible at all. The corner position of England has many advantages, but one big disadvantage - you can't afford loosing much time.
20 Oct 09 UTC For Italy: take a look at 2 turns ago - I think you should have attacked West Med and pushed it back. It might have been a chance for you.
20 Oct 09 UTC that would have been very risky, possibly losing tunis or tyrr. indeed the cd of germany was bad, but you left france in the game a long time, who played strangely in the beginning. any idea why he played like that? having 3 fleets in the south so long and not protecting the north
20 Oct 09 UTC The first player? No real idea ... I did not understand his moves at all. I was already preparing to go after him.
20 Oct 09 UTC so was i, we even coordinated that for short while. I was puzzled why you waited so long already
20 Oct 09 UTC Thanks to all you guys for a great game!
22 Oct 09 UTC should we make a series out of this? Please not "...."??

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Sys_Error (998 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 20 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
Pug (749 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 20 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
MaikMik (863 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 20 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
garesch (124 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 20 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
cdm511 (223 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Mack Eye (119 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
andrewjoung (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
cdm511 (223 D)Germany (Autumn, 1904) with 2 centres.
andrewjoung (100 D)Austria (Autumn, 1902) with 1 centres.
moshea27 (100 D)France (Autumn, 1902) with 4 centres.
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