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Finished: 06 AM Wed 04 Dec 13 UTC
Private 2013 Masters Round 5 Game 2
2 days /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1915, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Wait for orders
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
20 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Oh, you are right, it is very sound strategy for Germany to get stabbed in a WT in '02. Always smart to stab a person who wants to work with you from the word go.

And speaking of private conversations, you never responded to the CPA double agent hogwash. You are exactly like the person who looks for justification after they have done something -- "Of course I had to stab him - he was working with Italy and Austria all game!"
20 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: It is like a guy who rapes a girl, then afterwards says "Look at the slutty clothes she was wearing! Come on, she was ASKING for it!"
20 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Germany, it's in fairly poor taste to compare yourself it a rape victim here and just a touch melodramatic.
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the game but hopefully we won't have to cross paths again after this.
Cheers, Russia.
20 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: You played terribly from the get-go and blamed Russia and myself, Germany. You put unlimited trust in two players in S01, and for that you paid. You should learn from it instead of bitch about it and make awful remarks like those. Enjoy whatever other games you're in; hopefully you're different there.
20 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: France, I think it is enough "teaching" from you.
I'm sure you are not that perfect either.
I don't know if Germany used inappropriate language in communications with you, but
he is Allowed to express his frustration with you, if he chooses to. Including posting in global.
In tournament game you need to try for a win: I don't see how this stab may help you Win it, similarly how Italy's stab may help him. Possibly it may allow you a spot in a draw, sure, but this draw is nothing to be proud of.
20 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Of course I'm not perfect. He has played a shitty game, though, and he has twice taken it out on others. You're doing the same thing.
20 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: What do you mean "same thing". I'm allowed to post in global and don't need someone to tell me what to do and what not to, as long as wording in appropriate. I never wrote anything bad to you or to any other country.
I will check your stats carefully once we are done here, I hope your arrogance is justified in perfect stats.
20 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Of course you can say what you like. Germany can too. At least, unlike him, you've got the balls to say it here.

Germany is lucky to have a friend like you; he'd have been gone a year or two ago without you.
21 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: France, you are a buffoon. Austria and I were not friends, or allies, as you assume.

You simply got played by Russia. He convinced you I was in a CPA, which you used as justification to stab me. Austria is correct in saying that it won't help you get a solo.

There is nothing particularly impressive about a 5WD once the two german powers are ousted. But hey, whatever gets you through the night.
21 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Russia, the analogy might have been a bit labored, but surely you can agree that I have been pretty thoroughly screwed?

Here is the specific message that France sent me, so that everyone can understand my perspective on things:


~Wed 4 Sep Spring, 1902: You suicided in S01, first of all. You went all or nothing. And personally I never want my eastern neighbor Germany to have all; I'd much rather it be nothing.

And second of all you've been a double agent for the CPA and WT this whole time, and there's no reason to let that last.
21 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Personally, if German is going all out in 1901, they are playing for 3 builds -- Low Countries and Denmark. I don't understand how you see my getting 1 build equates to me having all.
22 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Why 2 "Cancel" votes?
22 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: I don't know why I had a cancel vote in. Sorry.
22 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: France, way to keep acknowledging the sovereignty of Portugal.
23 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: (goldfinger0303): Hey guys, just checking in to say that Round 6 has started and make sure to check your email
23 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: I suppose that a 4WD is slightly better than a 5WD.
23 Sep 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Damn France, your tactics are so weak. All you had to do was SH Belgium and you would have kept it. I am perplexed by you moving there instead. Nice of you to keep helping out England though.
08 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: Italy, I may never know, and you may not tell me, but I'd like to know... why are you throwing against me when I'm pretty much the only player that's been good to you throughout this game?
08 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: You could have easily held off Turkey and Russia, yet you didn't... and then you blew off my four private messages without useful response... just why...
09 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: Truly France? You haven't really been good to me and you did help Russia that one time and Russia has been very bad to me (no hard feelings though). The real reason and only reason I moved on you is because I am playing one of the crappiest games I've ever played and you are simply the means of my survival. I've been in other games in this tournament where players cried that they would throw the game (and they did) if things didn't go their way. I don't roll that way. So, things are not going my way and you were simply the only mechanism available to support my survival.

And no, I could not have held off Turkey, Russia and Austria.
09 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: Yes, crappy game indeed. This entire game has been a little crappy.

You'll never beat the time I played Italy and Austria got attacked by the juggernaut in 1901 and decided he'd open to the Adriatic, Tyrolia, and Trieste en route to Venice while losing Serbia and Greece to Turkey and Budapest to Russia. That will live on as the worst of the worst forever.
01 Nov 13 UTC Spring, 1910: I will suggest that a draw is in order. It seems unlikely that Turkey will be able to achieve the 18 centers required and he appears to be the only player still pressing on any front. I would ask that you all consider voting draw to save us an extended but ultimately fruitless run of turns to get to the same place we're in right now, more or less.
03 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: I think France getting knocked out first would be appropriate....
04 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: (goldfinger0303): Hi guys, I paused this game because I believe there was a bug in the orders which caused Piedmont to cut the support in Marseilles.

I'll bring this up with kestas, but since I do believe it was a bug I'll have an admin redo the orders once the bug is fixed.
04 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: Thank you. I agree with that assessment!
04 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: (goldfinger0303): So, I have made a mistake everyone. The moves processed correctly. Please check the DATC at http://web.inter.nl.net/users/L.B.Kruijswijk/#4.A.3 . The last sentence is key

"That means that if the order contains "via Convoy" and there is no possible convoy route ordered, the land route should still be considered (see also test case 6.G.8)."
04 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: There is a convoy route via GOL... are you saying that an order would have also been required at GOL in order for the convoy order to be valid?
04 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: I'm a tad confused...
04 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: Russia put in the order "A PIE to MAR via convoy."
Austria (with the adjacent fleet) did not provide a convoy for that army.
However, the move was resolved by treating the order as a "via land" order instead of "via convoy," thus cutting support from MAR and allowing Austria to take SPA.
This is a very esoteric and confusing rule subset that is not clearly defined (refer to the referenced web page for Diplomacy Adjudicator Test Cases).
04 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: Being the recipient of the cut support and subsequent loss of territory, Iaminclined to believe that Russia's intent was to not cut support at MAR but instead to only attempt MAR should MAR for some reason attack PIE. I am admittedly biased, but this seems like a tough one to take given the impact of the resultant moves and the apparently specific direction from Russia that the move only occur "via convoy."
That being said, I will accept the official ruling - if what Goldfinger says is the official, then that is that. Still sucks but I guess lesson learned and the order could have been a hold with no question about intent.
04 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: (goldfinger0303): I was confused by it as well, England. I don't necessarily believe that is how things should be resolved in these situations (and neither do the other mods who looked at this) but since that is how the DATC adjudicates it and the site is based off the DATC it is a legal rule and I'm pretty bound by it.
04 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: Fair enough. Lesson learned!
05 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: No complaints here but I wonder how they deal with this in FtF tournaments - if there is a consistent ruling. I'd bring it up in the forum but whole ongoing game thing and whatnot.
05 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: "In my friend's game..."
05 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: Go Austria go!
21 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1913: whole lotta love...
22 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1913: Hugs all around
22 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1913: Don't do it o_O
22 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1913: I won't have much internet access over the weekend. Sorry if I will be slow or unable to reply.
22 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1913: I'm going to be gone for the weekend as well. Don't worry, not related... ^
30 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: I am thankful that France finally got his comeuppance.

Kudos again to Russia. It is not often that one person can convince a WT to implode, it takes a real talent for diplomacy.
30 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: Hold a grudge, do you Germany? It's been nearly two months. Time to move on.
30 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: I'm tempted to move out of holland just to stick it to Germany.
30 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: Hmm. And taking over all of my home sc's didn't stick it to me enough?
30 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: zzz...
01 Dec 13 UTC gg all.
Wiz, what was your affection for keeping Austria around?
01 Dec 13 UTC If anything is a surprise to me, it is Russia's overall stats. I thought he is one of the top players...
01 Dec 13 UTC Haha, thanks.
I tend to hold my own at FP but am absolutely horrendous at GBs so my overall stats are a little skewed for the worse.

The Wiz is sitting pretty at #2 in the WTA FP rankings so that's nice company to have.
01 Dec 13 UTC I really missed up in F10 with the move to Armenia. I thought I was going to be able to get a build and put a fleet in Sev but England didn't agree to give me Holland and I decided not to try for Norway...
Unfortunately, I forgot to change my move back to bouncing in the BS and Turkey had the wherewithal to disband and build an army back in Ankara. Also, annoyed that the move to Marseilles succeeded in breaking the support.

I think, up until then, I may have had a shot at a solo.
01 Dec 13 UTC Austria did what I asked of him and helped me when he could have decided otherwise. He kept doing what I asked of him and at some point I promised him to keep him alive if it wouldn't mean to throw away a possible solo. I keep my promises.

Good game, Yonni. You did annoy me quite a bit during the game, but never enough to make peace with others, throw away my own solo ambitions and go against you while I still had momentum and I never got the chance to stab you late enough in the game so that I would still have been able to get beyond Italy... I hate Turkey.

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Turkey
TheWizard (5364 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 9 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Russia
Yonni (123 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 9 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
England
mscott (384 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 9 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Austria
sereginss (4824 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 9 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
France
bo_sox48 (4499 D Mod (G))
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Italy
mdrltc (1832 D (G))
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Germany
LakersFan (905 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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