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Finished: 01 AM Thu 15 Aug 13 UTC
Where's Waldo?-2
1 day /phase
Pot: 77 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by doktorond (334 D)
06 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: Since two players have left, do we just want to draw this game? Or cancel it?
06 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: i'm up for either. if it was just one i would say keep playing, but it's two that are right next to each other.
06 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: yeah.
06 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: You do have a point, but also a draw seems a slight bit unfair to me. After all they've not quit straight out but only after alliances led by me hit them for most of their centers. I would have been in a large lead even without anyone of them quitting - there was really no way for Russia even if he would have kept playing to keep me from taking Rumania and Constantinople this year while he would most probably have blocked Germany out of Warsaw - that would have put me on 12 with the second player probably on 6 or 7. So cancelling is out of the question for me, though I might vote for a draw.
06 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: But it's also a time thing. If they just sit there and let you completely take over, they are making you take fewer turns than if they were to fight back.
06 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: Personally, I don't like to cancel games that have got past a couple of years. I would vote for a draw if everyone else agreed on it, but I'm also happy to play on and see what happens.
06 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: Valid point on the cancel option. And also a valid point from France on the draw option.
06 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'm okay with a draw. I'd also be okay with continuing on. I just wanted to toss the idea out there. It does suck the way players just quit when start to get taken over. I've come back from the bring of elimination a number of times because when one country gets too big too quickly they usually get ganged up on, which takes pressure off of the country that they were steamrolling.
06 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: I agree, it's a time thing - Turkey quitting was an advantage for me even though he's just as talkative in civil disorder as before :) However, this time I've been thorough - when Turkey quit he was already effectively isolated. When Russia quit he'd just lost two key centers in the south to me and stood to lose two more. I won't vote for the draw this time, because as you see I stand to grow a little more this move. I might vote for it in spring. This being my first game here, how does it work? If we draw, do we just walk away with the points it says we're worth?
06 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: Oh what the hell, what I mean is that it just feels frustrating to have a perfectly executed stab result in Russia quitting, ending in what would effectively be a 6-way draw, even though I see it might be the sane thing to do.
06 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: We'd all divide up the points equally. That's my only complaint about this site is that there's no real penalty for people who abandon games.

I'm okay with plating it out a little longer and seeing w hat happens.
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: So the 77 points are divided equally among us four or among all six? And you're saying Russia and Turkey can just keep on joining games and then abandoning them without being thrown off the site?
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: It would be divided among the 4 of us.
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: OK, thanks.
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: And yeah, I've never seen anyone be removed from the site for abaondoning games. They don't get their points back when they abandon games, but I think that's it.
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: That's a shame. I guess that's why there's a point to playing the games with higher bets.
08 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1906: yeah, or password protected games.
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: But the strangest things I think are these countries that return from the dead. I mean, you'll count on a power in civil disorder remaining so, no?
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: Hey guys I feel like I owe all you a big sorry. I was at band camp and didnt have 3G so I couldn't make my turns. So sorry if I ruined a bit of your fun.
11 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: No worries. It happens sometimes!
11 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: Thanks for being understanding! I'll play out whatever game is left for me haha

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Italy
doktorond (334 D)
Won. Bet: 10 D, won: 41 D
18 supply-centers, 15 units
England
Jon65 (112 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 19 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Germany
JMB22 (2063 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 14 D
6 supply-centers, 7 units
France
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 3 D
1 supply-centers, 2 units
Russia
daniyhungre (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 3 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
Turkey
bh2796 (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 7 D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
Austria
ferrelic (786 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
Rayanbr (100 D)Turkey (Spring, 1903) with 4 centres.
bh2796 (100 D)Turkey (Autumn, 1904) with 2 centres.
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