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Finished: 05 Aug 13 UTC
EUROPEAN UNION-3
1 days /phase (normal)
Pot: 107 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Draw-Size Scoring
Game won by jmo1121109 (3782 D Mod)
11 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1901: Spring, 1901: So these are my moves -
War-Gal Mos-Ukr Sev- Bla StP - Bot
And you move
Con-Bul Ank-Con Smy- Arm

That looks like you are attacking me, a little.
11 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1901: That looks like you are attacking me, a little.
09:39 PM Spring, 1901: ... I hate to be the bearer of bad news, Russia, but...
09:47 PM Spring, 1901: Damm
09:48 PM Spring, 1901: I am new on this site. So much for the surprise.
09:49 PM Spring, 1901: That was really quite funny.
11 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1901: You have quite an imagination, my Italian friend.
My guess is that the Turk is moving to attack you, because he knows you cannot be trusted. You are sitting in an AH Sc, while I am trying to defend mysely against the German, and spending tourist dollars in Gal. Which is not a SC.
11 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1901: And if you knew my moves,how did invading AH and stealing a SC help?
11 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1901: So the Turk is attacking me me in Sev. You have a wonderful imagination. It doesn't explain what you are doing in Tri, and will try to take Gre from AH as well.
11 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1901: But I have my own problems with the German who lied to me as well. Stabs on the first move are amature. Save them for when it really matters
12 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1901: How have I lied to you Russia? You threatened me before the first turn and I took steps to defend myself. I haven't stepped foot into your territory.
13 Jul 13 UTC Spring, 1902: That being said, Russia I'm coming for you.
14 Jul 13 UTC Spring, 1902: Germany, moving to Sil on the very first move threatens war. You know that. So now you publicly state what was obvious from the very first move.
14 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1902: So how is that two front war working out for you, Germany? Now you lose Mun this turn.
15 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1902: I don't see it. How?
15 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1902: Why did Russia lose War? War supported Gal, Gal supported War. Attacked by Pru with support from Sil. That is 2 on 2.
15 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1902: Oops. Didn't see the attack from Bud
18 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: I’m new to this site, and have enjoyed the good fun. But there is a problem with this game.

Turkey was in Civil disorder. It missed two moves.

When a country is in civil disorder, it cannot retreat when dislodged. The unit is disbanded, according to the rules

But turkey was allowed to retreat to Sev, and Ser.

That is not right

And look at the sequence of events:

12:05pm - Turkey has gone into Civil Disorder.
12:05pm - Game has progerssed to retreats

So at this exact point - Turkey in CD, unit dislodged - the rules say it cannot retreat but is dislodged.

Turkey was later taken over, and allowed to retreat.

This is a clear error in the game rules logic. I sent a note of protest to the game moderator. I would have taken a different action if I knew they have different than the real rules in force. I took Rum just to make it easier for my ally to recover, and not have to retreat all the way back to Turkey to recover the SC.
18 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: Please answer these questions relative to the example I cited:
1. Was Turkey in CD? yes or no
2. Was Rum dislodged? Yes or no
3. Do the Diplomacy Rules state that a dislodged unit while a country is in CD disbanded? yes or no.

4. Did a new player assume control of Turkey AFTER the unit was dislodged? yes or no
Clearly, yes to all. The code should immediately disband the unit to be true to the rules and the game. It is really that simple. But the current rules in the game here allow a dislodged while the country is in CD to retreat. That is a different game from the original Diplomacy.
19 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: GameMaster: Reloc was banned: multi/meta. The time until the next phase has been extended by one phase length to give an opportunity to replace the player.
Remember to finalize your orders if you don't want to wait, so the game isn't held up unnecessarily!
20 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: o_O
20 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: Lets cancel this game and start over.
28 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: GameMaster: Mintyclinch was banned: multi/meta. The time until the next phase has been extended by one phase length to give an opportunity to replace the player.
Remember to finalize your orders if you don't want to wait, so the game isn't held up unnecessarily!
29 Jul 13 UTC Spring, 1907: So two players banned. This game deserves to be canceled.

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Turkey
jmo1121109 (3782 D Mod)
Won. Bet: 22 D, won: 107 D
20 supply-centers, 16 units
England
scotch_knight (310 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D
9 supply-centers, 11 units
France
archels (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Germany
ShakesSpears (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Russia
Starside (10 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Italy
Reloc (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Austria
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
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