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Finished: 09 AM Fri 19 Jul 13 UTC
The war that began another war
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 105 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
15 Jun 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: What a mess
21 Jun 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: With France being such a non-entity (the only move he's made since '01 was Par-Pic), and with the advantage that provides to his many neighbors, I think I'd like to see a draw once the French pieces are eliminated. Or am I alone in that?
24 Jun 13 UTC Spring, 1905: I guess I am alone in that, then...
24 Jun 13 UTC Spring, 1905: Actually, I'm starting to hate games with drop-outs. I'd cancel.
24 Jun 13 UTC Spring, 1905: Agreed
24 Jun 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: That's 5 out of 7 that don't want to play this game. Let's call it...
25 Jun 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: France and Turkey are the only two who aren't interested in canceling (and France is because he hasn't been on). Shall we focus our efforts there until they either agree to cancel or are eliminated?
25 Jun 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: Agreed.
26 Jun 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: I have cancelled my cancel. We should eliminate Turkey - then cancel or draw.
01 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: So now Germany has, what, decided to go for a win in a game we've all been talking about cancelling or drawing since France ruined it.

Turkey done the decent thing and agreed to draw (thanks, btw), so Germany please do the decent thing too.
01 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: Austria and Italy, we agreed earlier to Cancel the game. So cancel.
01 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: I've been told a cancel gives France back his points, which he does not deserve, so a draw is fairer.
01 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: And when you say "we", I notice that every player wishes to end this game. 5 out of 6 have chosen draw. We would like you to join us.

Or must this site be blighted by another game ruined *not only* by a player leaving, but by the beneficiaries of that not agreeing to end the game?
02 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: tl;dr
02 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: Okay, I don't know what that means, but let's face it this game is ruined, so I'd rather cancel than continue. Turkey, do the honours...
02 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: Yep...I don't really care about the "how" just as long as it ends.
02 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: The earlier it ends, the better.
03 Jul 13 UTC Spring, 1907: All we need is for Germany and Turkey to agree...everyone else seems fine worth both draw or cancel.
03 Jul 13 UTC Spring, 1907: Or kill Turkey and we have our solution there.
03 Jul 13 UTC Spring, 1907: Or kill Turkey and we have our solution there.
03 Jul 13 UTC Spring, 1907: Is this still going on? This isn't funny, people. Will one of you just end this.
04 Jul 13 UTC Spring, 1907: What Italy said.
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: Really, Germany? Great job.
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: What?
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: You've decided to continue the game and press the attack rather than end it like every other player is interested in doing. You and Turkey should give up the pissing contest and one of you should just hit either the cancel or draw buttons. No one else is interested in continuing.
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: Nice diplomacy.
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: I started by ignoring the catcalls to cancel, but then got amused by them and the increasing intensity and vulgarity of the calls was intriguing
To be so vociferously opposed to being in a game because one country had an unstable wartime government(cause thats what CD is) is silly. If you demand to cancel every game that has a CD in it you're demanding a cancel in 75% of games you're playing at the 15point levels.
It's a part of the game, and instead of whining about it why don't you do your talking on the battlefield, where by my count I have been on the Austria/Italy kill list for most of the game and am still alive and kicking
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: Ah, of course you're right. People quitting is a fascinating and integral part of every game and we should explore this gameplay wrinkle fully. Enjoy my 15 points as I will gladly offer them up to help you experiment with this exciting strategic twist. Please just go ahead and eliminate me quickly, though, as I have no interest in continuing a flawed game, but I don't wish to CD myself. Douchebags.
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: Firstly, I want to apologise to everyone. If I have been rude or misjudged things, I apologise unreservedly.

I genuinely don't know how I feel about the constant NMR / Left / Banned that goes on, but I'll try to be more reasonable about dealing with it.
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: I think it's just easy sometimes to forget that it's just a game.
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: Hahaha...I might have done that. Sorry.
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: Is there a general consensus on this site about handling Left / Banned and CD? Or is it handled however people want?
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: I dunno, I don't play often enough.
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: Okay, okay...I may have flown off the handle a bit (more so in regards to Germany than Turkey, though). Nearly every game I've been in, the game is drawn or canceled if a country CDs with anything more than a single center left. Seriously, do whatever you want here in this game--continue it if you'd like. I'll hit "ready" as soon as I can each turn so that I don't hold you up, but I won't be wasting my time trying to think out orders as I do believe this game is has been ruined quite thoroughly by the French absence.

I have a newborn and I've been a bit sleep deprived for the past few days, so if I'm going to try and log on and play a game every now and then, I want it to be a game that is unspoiled by cheating or quitting. A game that has been this altered by a missing player is one that I'd rather not spend my very little amount of free time on.
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: Italy offers everybody some pasta :)
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: And congratulations on the newborn :)
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: Austria, the higher point password protected anon games are what you're looking for if you want as close to a guarantee of no CD's as you're going to get.

If someone in a good position is in CD posting to the forum is a good way to get a replacement quick, but sometimes lapses in government can take years
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: How does one get in on these higher point password protected games?
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: As for pasta, the Sultan himself would like to remind the Roman Seat that all good things from Pasta to Architecture to Gunpowder came to your nations through the mighty gates of Constantinople.
Riches may come from the barrel of a gun, but for generations the walls of Constantinople have held back heathens, Insha'Allah they shall do so for generations to come.
All those who march bravely with their shields and swords to lay siege to the mighty Seat of the Ottomans shall find themselves returning home upon their shields and their swords broken.

The Sultan wishes peace upon all those bearing gifts, love and peace.



Except the Greeks, no gifts from Greeks
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: :)
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: I've never really sought medium-high password games without knowing people irl but lurk around the forum there's bound to be a few postings about it that can point you in the right direction
04 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: That may be the way of the Sultan, but The Roman Emperor seeks a higher challenge than the heathens of the east.
06 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: Re canceling after CDs, it depends, there have a few debates on the forum, I think it largely comes down to personal choice, however if two or more countries CD that pretty much automatically guarantees a draw/cancel from the remainder.

Just create a thread on the forum, x map, y turn length, z points and anon and password protected, and if people want to take part, they will ask.
06 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: Thanks for the info :)

Also, NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
13 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1909: So we draw after Austria is dead?
15 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1909: unless you would like the pleasure of finishing off the Roman Seat once and for all, eliminating it's lands from the mortal realm, 3 way is more valuable than 4 way mathematically speaking
17 Jul 13 UTC Spring, 1910: So uh... Anyone play Civ V on steam?
17 Jul 13 UTC Ha!

Thank you, England.
17 Jul 13 UTC And so has ended this phase of hostilities on the continent with things as they should be.
The hand of Allah reaching out to grasp what was once his.
A United Germany once again, with the Orthodox heathens driven to Siberia.
The False Church of Rome has fallen to it's junior branch in England, showing us once again that the way of Christendom is continual civil war, only Allah will save those who choose him over all else, as told to us but the great Prophet Muhammad(pbuh).
The previous Italian dominance reduced to where it belongs on the heel of someones boot.

All in all a peace to be proud of, but remember just over the horizon lurks more gold and treasure, and more abhorrent beliefs, peace is not the end, just an intermission until the next great war

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Germany
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 26 D
14 supply-centers, 13 units
England
largeham (149 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 26 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Turkey
The Fox (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 26 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Italy
WalterWhite (123 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 26 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
France
LordOfTheFez (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Austria
murraysheroes (531 D (B))
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Russia
PlanetXXX13 (782 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Civil Disorders
LordOfTheFez (100 D)France (Autumn, 1905) with 3 centres.
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