Finished: 10 PM Thu 16 May 13 UTC
Galvanize
2 days /phase
Pot: 700 D - Spring, 1908, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
11 Apr 13 UTC Spring, 1902: a bit of an odd game this one - very quiet, and no one finalizes moves...???
11 Apr 13 UTC Spring, 1902: I agree it does seem to be a bit quiet.
14 Apr 13 UTC Autumn, 1902: ...that moment when you realize France is a bout to eat England...
01 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: so sad that a wta game has been decided as a 3 way draw already...it's a shame people don't play wta games as Winner Take All
01 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: Turkey, which three form that 3-way alliance, if I can ask such question?
01 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: R/I/G, clearly.
Pretense of ignorance does not indicate Actual ignorance, Russia. It is quite obvious
01 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'm usually quite sceptical of a player's claim to know, with certainty, the mind of another player or players. The game is still mid-game. Predicting a 3-way draw when only one power has been eliminated and none of the remaining powers are below 3 centres seems a bit premature?
01 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: You think so?
Games follow a set of patterns. After playing several hundred games, these patterns become evident.
01 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: Well you're a much better player than I am then because I would never be able to make predictions with such certainty at this stage of a game.
01 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: Really?
You don't find that in most alliance games the end is easily predicatble by this point?
I find that hard to believe
01 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'm not sure what you mean by 'alliance games'. You've said you believe there to be a 3-way alliance based on your reading of the game. You may or may not be correct. Even assuming you are (and you can't know for sure because...this is Diplomacy) you can't say with anywhere near certainty what the end-aims of the powers are. As you point out, an experienced player can make an educated guess, but that's all they can do.

The crux of it is this - you can make whatever pattern recognitions you like, but what you cannot do is say in very certain language that you know precisely what is going on in several other players' heads and then complain about that assumption. It's a little unfair to tell me what my motives and aims are when you can't really know.
01 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'd say there was a FG alliance against England and a IR alliance against Turkey and a general "leave each other alone" between France and Italy and Germany and Russia. How this all re-jiggles after Germany's stab against France and the provocative move to Tyr we are about to see.......Turkey could be right, but there are other possibilities.
01 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: Ha! I prefer your analysis. It made me chuckle.
02 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: germany's "stab" to tyr?
tyr is bound for piedmont
germany wouldnt stab italy without russia's permission ;- D

as for what we can and can't say - we can say whatever we please here, as long as it isn't racist, homophobic hate speech (or accuse ppl of metagaming)

pointing out people's strategies is totally legit
seems i must have hit close to home to get you all riled up like that....
02 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'm not riled. I meant you cannot say with certainty what other players thoughts are because you don't know. Not you cannot say whatever words you like. You can of course make whatever speculations you wish :D That's what makes things interesting...
11 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: What a TERRIBLE WTA game
WOW
11 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: I don't think about can hear you over the sour grapes.
11 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: anyone*
11 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: I think everyone knows exactly what I mean.
Everyone who knows what WTA stands for, anyway
11 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: Turkey, your last words to me were: "just ignore me" (in Spring 1904). So I did :-)
11 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: and you, Russia, are a bold faced liar. thank you for proving my point

my hope is that you have the stones to grab the solo that germany gifted you with and bring some sort of validation to this game
11 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: Turkey, I understand you are trying to change the course of the game, but it's already too late I think.
11 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: I think good diplomacy would have been to attempt to prise apart any nascent alliances or at the very least keep communications open. I've received nothing from you Turkey since our war began. You haven't even tried to persuade me to do anything.
11 May 13 UTC Spring, 1907: As russia pointed out, it's too late.
has been for a while now
13 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: Travelling a bit, so put in "draw" now so no one gets nervous.
14 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: looks like a 3 way draw
where have I heard that before....?????
14 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1907: The BBC World Service?
14 May 13 UTC Well played folks. Look forward to the next one.

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Russia
MarekP (12867 D)
Drawn. Bet: 100 D, won: 233 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Italy
Hereward77 (930 D)
Drawn. Bet: 100 D, won: 233 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
France
Creigh (3075 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 100 D, won: 233 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
England
KnightGeneral (1342 D)
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
Germany
Luigi (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
Austria
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
Turkey
Macchiavelli (2586 D)
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
Civil Disorders
Luigi (100 D)Germany (Autumn, 1906) with 3 centres.
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