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Finished: 07 AM Fri 30 Aug 13 UTC
Private 2013 Masters Round 2 Game 5
2 days /phase
Pot: 41 D - Autumn, 1921, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Wait for orders
1 excused missed turn
Game won by TheWizard (5364 D (S))
03 Jun 13 UTC Spring, 1912: Haha I actually laughed at that.
06 Jun 13 UTC Spring, 1912: Sorry everyone. As was said, I was in rural northern MI and lost power due to a storm. Couldn't drive 40 min. a day to get internet. Sorry for the delay!
06 Jun 13 UTC Spring, 1912: Sorry for not readying, by the way. Birthday party tonight (not mine) and diploming when drunk often offends.
13 Jun 13 UTC Spring, 1913: Oh, going to be off for a week starting Sunday and will need a pause (sorry).
15 Jun 13 UTC Autumn, 1913: Toodles for now! I'll send you all a postcard!
22 Jun 13 UTC Autumn, 1913: Cheers, all!
27 Jun 13 UTC Autumn, 1913: I'll be in England on vacation for the next ten days, so I will only be getting on once or twice a day. Hopefully this won't cause too many crossed wires.
27 Jun 13 UTC Autumn, 1913: You're vacationing in England during Wimbledon? Do you enjoy the rain or something? :p
18 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1915: Could I have a pause until Monday? My computer is currently being repaired and Internet access is a hassle.
22 Jul 13 UTC Spring, 1916: My computer will still be a few more days... Could we please pause?
24 Jul 13 UTC Autumn, 1916: Thanks for the pause everyone my computer is back in action.
03 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1918: Turkey, if you just walk out of StP we could be done and save us all 2 more years with the same end result.
04 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1918: Well done England! Seems like Austrias desire to remove me from the game has not helped ;)
05 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1919: I will have to ask for a pause for 2 weeks starting on saturday, but if everyone finalizes, maybe we can finish it before?
05 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1919: Would love to, but I'm quite limited on the times I can enter orders. My phone allows me to send messages, but objects to pressing buttons like draw or ready. It annoys
05 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1919: There's always the possibility, of course, that it is the game and not my phone that is causing the difficulties. Press draw quickly and see if it works ok for you :)
06 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1919: strange... apparently this game doesn't allow you to draw from a guaranteed victory position.

well, I'd appreciate if you would put in your pause votes by friday then, so I can pause before going away.
06 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1919: It would really suck if someone refused to pause wouldn't it? Even if your pause request was do to an unforeseeable emergency?
06 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1919: it would indeed suck a lot, having to bother the TD to force-pause it.
06 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1919: lol!
07 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1919: Wow... been away for a bit and things have really moved.... glad to see France was eliminated... should have either accepted the draw or defended sooner... also, glad to see Turkey is about to go down to an England solo... thinning the draw is not as valuable as risking a solo... its just a matter of moves before Eng takes St. P...
07 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1919: The funny thing is there was no real effort to thin the draw. Italy insisted on helping England so we never got to a position where we could defend Munich if we wanted to. France had an unfortunate spell where he NMR'd and entered orders very late which damaged the stalemate line considerably. It may well have been fixable immediately after with a lot of work, but communications were somewhat strained and physically difficult to achieve (for my part I was damned busy in RL and dropped the ball somewhat here).

England, of course, has exploited the situation quite beautifully and fully deserves to be in his position.

But no, it is far more a case of the dangers of long game fatigue than it is a case of over-enthusiastic draw thinning.
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: you gusy can make your excuse but if you guys had really offered to hold me instead of being elusive we would have drawn. and that goes for munich and before when you stabbed. i think over-enthusiastic draw-thinning was rampant (as russia pointed out), and is something that is especially poor in masters play
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: Before Munich? Good Lord, man, that was when you consistently entered orders different to what we agreed and it was looking painfully like a EFT 3-way with English solo overtones was on the cards :p. I have not a single regret about that choice.

As far as Munich goes, I would have been more than happy to work with you. I made suggestions that would put me in a good position to keep you there, you agreed to those suggestions, and then you did the exact opposite. If you had an alternative plan I would have been delighted if you suggested it, but you did not. The biggest reason you did not survive is yourself.
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: i was only wary for my own precarious position because i felt i would be inevitably removed (self-fulfilling prophecy or a keen insight?).

You talked about how you were willing to keep me in the draw if others didn't push for me to be removed and if there was no reason to remove me. You were never keen to assure me that I would be in the draw, so I had to try and push England's cause (good job on the result England).

The fact is the situation of an English solo may have been different if you didn't eliminate me. But anyway it's just a game, and England played well
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: I hate draw thinning. Plain and simple. Especially in the masters where it basically counts for nothing. However in this instance Italy you need to realize that your inconsistent play vis a vis telling us one thing and doing another was what doomed you.

France's NMRs and subsequent difficulties with communication more than any other factor has led us to this pretty pass. However I am not one to begrudge England the accolades he deserves. England, you fully took advantage of every opportunity and, if you solo, I can only say I think your play merits it.
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: Italy, that came off sounding a bit more strident than I intended, so please don't take offense. Mea Culpa.
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: It didn't come across as strident at all, and the fact you made sure that I wasn't offended is nice! I tried to talk to you about keeping turkey in check but you didn't seem to keen either... oh well it's over now and I did enjoy it. I wonder how things would have been had we not lost the original Austria.
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: I didn't have very good relations on those lines, so maybe it would be I/A instead of me.
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: No disrespect to thie Austria but I liked the original one more :P
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: Thanks for the compliments.
Without having listened in on the conversations beween F/I/A/R it is hard to see where it might have gone wrong. But obviously, something did go very wrong when at a late point of the game (about when France still held Tunis and before Italy got stabbed?) two remaining powers wanted me to solo. I can't say from my position whose fault it was or if it was anyone's fault at all.

Also, Turkey, just walk out of StP... that would save us all 3 mindless turns.
There is no way short of me not being able to enter orders that this will end with anything but a solo.

Curious to see who everyone is.... :)
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: I just realized my comment was not for this game... wow... if that is not a sign of Masters fatigue, I'm not sure what is... I cannot ever do the Masters again... long live Gunboat in shorter rounds!
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: I cannot, in honor cede you StP. That would tarnish any victory you hope to achieve.
07 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: you have no way of keeping it.... or do you think you do?
08 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: None of us can avoid our end but only our journey.
08 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: Yes... please do "avoid the journey"... GRIN....
08 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: Ha, I should resolve never to try and be witty while using my cellphone.
09 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1919: Yes, many a faux pas has transpired for those afflicted with fat thumbs (I like the permanent number line on my Samsung 4, but I'm just too lazy to correct it when numbers creep into my text...). By the way, I commend the fighting spirt, but there is no stopping the inevitable English victory... you could force this another fulll year, but god I hope there is not another pause coming!
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1920: Wow.... paused... end the pain!!!
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1920: I'm a sadist.
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1920: More of a SAD-ist, 'cause its just plain sad...
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1920: Haha
13 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1920: I'm waiting with baited breath to see if you will allow England to end the game this turn or if you will force him to move Fin to Gulf, Sweden to Finland, Norway to Finland, supp Sweden, and Edi to Norway, sup Barents in Spring next year... Impressive how this game has dragged on... not that England is complaining with the Solo!!!!
13 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1920: Couldn't possibly do that. Plenty of players in the closing stages succumb to the pressure and make foolish choices that cost them the game. In all honesty I don't see this England doing that, but honour demands we must make him work for it :)
13 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1920: Totally agree.
26 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1920: Thanks for the pause!
28 Aug 13 UTC congratulations england
28 Aug 13 UTC Nicely done :)
28 Aug 13 UTC Thanks, guys. Tbh, I didn't believe this would be the outcome after the rough start.
29 Aug 13 UTC Yea, great game England!

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TheWizard (5364 D (S))
Won. Bet: 5 D, won: 41 D
18 supply-centers, 17 units
Octavious (1717 D)
Survived. Bet: 6 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Survived. Bet: 5 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Tom Bombadil (4134 D (G))
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
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josunice (3702 D (S))
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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MadMarx (35554 D (G))Austria (Autumn, 1910) with 5 centres.
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