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Finished: 05 PM Thu 07 Mar 13 UTC
Private 7. In the House of Tom Bombadil
2 days /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1906, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
06 Mar 13 UTC And, as a relatively senior citizen, I feel somewhat aggrieved at your attitude, Lando.
Negotiate schfenociate. Who cares? You lose.
Apologies in advance.
06 Mar 13 UTC If France can locate his testicles.
06 Mar 13 UTC No, I am not trying to keep and hold STP. What kind of idiot do you think I am???

it's not liek I should leave though, as your reaction to that is some nonsense about GOB and an agreement to stab Germany if and only if he is moment sfrom a solo.

I understand people have different priorities, but I also don't understand anything you've done or said inr egards to this game - you're firendly and chatty and make good jokes, which is appreciated.

i am just done trying to negotiate with you as it is useless and is a good recipe to get myself frustrated. If you itnend to change the way you're playing this game than let me know. But your current tone is not appreciated.

If you woudl liek to talk and negotiate please let me know, as, I will take all your comments from here on out as "small jokes."

I still have lots of units and I will affect the endgame whether I last trhough it or not. Up toy ou how the effect will play out, in some ways.
06 Mar 13 UTC Alright Russia, there is no need to be an asshole.

I admit I don't know anything about what you just wrote - it makes no sense. However, i take it as an insult to me personally. It apears like you are accusing me of being a "sore loser" and a "shitty player."

I don't need to take this kind of abuse from you. I apologize for attempting to play the game, I am sorry that we joined the same game of diplomacy when only one of us has an interest in playing it. I am sorry for wasting your time with diplomacy-related messages. I am sorry that I am losing and trying to prevent it from happening.

I am cutting myself off there. There are plently of things I want to say to you, but hopefully a small break will allow me to cool down.
06 Mar 13 UTC Woooooah! That was a blaster from the master.
None of the negative feelings you imply ever existed. I am playing Diplomacy, the game, to win. Ok? I seem to be doing slightly better than you at the present time.
A small break and a hot bath may be in order :~)
06 Mar 13 UTC So that's why he plays gunboat......
06 Mar 13 UTC I will try to be 'diplomatic' from here on in, Lando. Sorry to faze you.
06 Mar 13 UTC I'm ok with a draw if it stops people bitching at each other unnecessarily.
06 Mar 13 UTC He's a gunboater, the first sign of pressure he loses it, it's to be expected. He is a silent but deadly killer ..... it's like asking a panda to mate with a giraffe !!
06 Mar 13 UTC Yonni, Draug, Nigee, let us bring down the curtain. May the show be over. The fat lady is about to sing.
We acquitted ourselves well and should be proud of our accomplishments, but now I feel it's the time to go back to our fields and wives and children.
06 Mar 13 UTC I was just sharpening my hunting knife and loading my blunderbuss
06 Mar 13 UTC Or else we destroy England. Your choice. Either way ok by me. (Hi, Lando!)
06 Mar 13 UTC Italy, France: Can't you see a draw is in both of your interests?
Ok, if no draw then a steamroller/JCB/bigbastardingsomething is heading your way.
06 Mar 13 UTC I've no problem drawing.
06 Mar 13 UTC But convincing England and Germany to do so... That is mroe problematic.
06 Mar 13 UTC OH! I see it was just Yonni and me. Well, my vote is in.
06 Mar 13 UTC My vote is in, Draug.

Timur I still don't understand, why are you intentionally reducing your options in this game? You're right, you're doing well. Create your own fucking dynamic.
06 Mar 13 UTC But I do want to say there are *no* hard feelings on my part to anyone here. Anything I said in the chat was designed to provoke an outcome in the game, including when I muted all y'all (except my good and faithful ally, Yonni).

Lando, it was well playe don your part and I wasn't certain I had gotten through to Tom to stab you or not. His stab truly saved my life in this game.

Yonni - Thank you for being such a good a faithful ally and trusting that I would never cross our DMZ.

Tom, sorry about chasing you at the beginning, but someone had to be a target and I tossed a coin (literally a hundred times but I didn't get the expected 50 heads and 50 tails ;-) ) and you lost out on the toss.

Cach, Sorry we didn't get a chance to work together.

Nigee, you got screwed early on but stayed in great spirits. Bravo!

Timur, had we continued playing, we probably would have eventually met somewhere in English territory, that is unless Tom turned on me on his way to a solo.

Let's draw and try again?
06 Mar 13 UTC Trying to find my way back home.
06 Mar 13 UTC Draugnar - in case this game does continue I would like to discuss your plans. Do you truly intend to work with Tom here?? I always figured you to be a conservative player who wouldn't side with the person to whom a solo chance could be thrown.
06 Mar 13 UTC "why are you intentionally reducing your options in this game?"
Lando, you obviously do not understand me at all. It's a GAME. Who wins, who loses, is of little import. The fun is in the doing. If you don't want to play such a loser, then don't.
I do the same intentional-option-reducing shit in real life, but that's another story.
06 Mar 13 UTC Yonni: Let's be done with this. Shuffling off this mortal coil as we speak. Good to meet you all.
06 Mar 13 UTC Draug: "Let's draw and try again?"
I don't like to be where I don't belong. If I'm invited, I'd be perfectly willing.
06 Mar 13 UTC It's Tom's game, so it's Tom's call to invite us to 8. Fog on the Barrow-downs (or 9. At the Sign of the Prancing Pony if he has done chapter 8. already).
06 Mar 13 UTC Wo dong. Xie xie.
06 Mar 13 UTC English or German please. I don't speak Mandarin or Cantonese. :-)
06 Mar 13 UTC 欢迎您的光临
06 Mar 13 UTC Thank you google translate. :-)
06 Mar 13 UTC Or...

不客气
06 Mar 13 UTC But why play a game if you're not doing so for the designed purpose of the game?? it makes no sense man.
06 Mar 13 UTC Timur - I have nothing against you. I am just frustrated because you dn't appear willing to engage in diplomacy at all, even from the start of the game. We all understood the value in chatting/hanging out in the game, but for it to be fun we all have to commit to actually putting effort into playing.

Everyone is entitled to their own decisions. But the game does involve a certain element of give-and-take ebwteen players. You haven't done this. If you want to play this game for purely social reasons and you don't care about the outcome I would prefer not to play with you anymore.

i enjoy your company, though, and if you do intend to play this game with a comepetitive spirit in the future I would be happy to give this another shot.

If Yonni decides not to end the game, perhaps we can continue to try to work out our differences here.
06 Mar 13 UTC We can start with why I should let you have STP back. What is in it for me? What are you willing to do for me if I offer to leave this place vacant for you?
06 Mar 13 UTC I'd rather cancel.
06 Mar 13 UTC I just got back home though, didn't see any of your messages about drawing. Why giving up all of a sudden?
Seems like a waste of time. I'd prefer to wipe this game completely from memory and record if that's the case.
06 Mar 13 UTC Or take out Timur and then draw. I don't appreciate being threatened to end a game early.
07 Mar 13 UTC Listen Draug, Tom wants a solo. Why else did he stab a good ally? I want a draw, with you. Please do not leave your own fate up to Tom here. Let's put our ineterests first - they are the same. What do I need to do to prove this?
07 Mar 13 UTC I go out for a fantastic day of ski (sadly the last ), and find this??? Gotta get the BBQ going. Will be right back
07 Mar 13 UTC OK... here's my very humble opinion.
Since this was meant to be a friendly game,a seven way draw seems more fitting than a cancel, the latter stinking of failed friendliness. In fact,though we're not all best buds now,it feels to me like we got a genuine chance to know each other better and there's no bad blood between anyone. sounds like we've done decently by Tom's objective then,and having everyone on board for the draw seems to work with other payers objective (as far as I could understand it). So maybe it's only fitting that we end it like that?
07 Mar 13 UTC Boo! Start a chat room if you just want draws. ; )
07 Mar 13 UTC There will, of course, likely be no EOG from me as we never reached that point in the match.
07 Mar 13 UTC Ha. I was trying to hint to you Lando that I screwed up. Was going after Draug if the game continued. Oh well. It was still fun. Look for a serious competive PP game from me in the future. It will be anon, and I'll let yall know via PM when I start it.
07 Mar 13 UTC My eog is already explicit in many comments made in game
07 Mar 13 UTC With two fleets tom?? I knew you screwed up lol, but I didnt think you had!
07 Mar 13 UTC Sorry you guys, but I think we ran the gamut of (mis)interpretations of the original purpose of the game. In that case, it's no wonder we are frustrated by the game itself and the outcome. *If* it is started up again and *if* I'm invited, unlikely, there would have to be mutual agreement on the precise objectives of the game. Not sure I can handle PP, though. My negotiating skills are weak. That was my first PP and I was finding it really difficult, whereas others were good at giving and receiving hints quite easily. Just not devious enough. Not sure I would want to join a restart, though I enjoyed the company and the experience. ps From now on, I'll work on being a real mean SOB. Cheers.
07 Mar 13 UTC That's what I was trying to tell you Timur: you can't really agree with the other payers on the game's objectives. You have to set your own and bring the others to share your point of view through diplomacy. But getting a bunch of guys playing a game of diplomatic domination to play it in a friendly way will likely always prove difficult. In this game, there's always a point where war makes enemies of friends. Avoiding this leaves one without real direction and that's going to be a problem sooner or later. Being friendly and all jokes in chat should not alter the overall objective of the game. Without trying to win, the game can't really progress since it's dynamics rely solely on the players ' intentions.
07 Mar 13 UTC Ok, all that having been said, with everyone screaming for overt competition, is there not a case for covert competition. I went for the draw because all wanted it except one. I thought I was in a pretty good position. I was going to wipe out Austria; I was about to kick England out of StP. I was supporting Turkey to keep a buffer with Italy unless Yonni tried to get fancy down south. Germany was ok until we saw just where the dice landed. I think yous a' got away wi' murder, ah'll have you ken. Competitive. It's not all about tallyho, let's go and trounce the nearest country. Don't try to sell me short. There are ways and ways. That was my way. I could have won. Please, don't diss me or whoever is going to do so is going to get his ass kicked next time around . . . covertly. Maybe yous all don't understand real diplomacy.
07 Mar 13 UTC Correct. This is fighting talk . . . from a Celt who is learning to be more devious. Danger. Bring it on!.
07 Mar 13 UTC Italy, the biggest screamer, although I helped him out of a difficult situation with Austria, would have been mince.
07 Mar 13 UTC Germany and I would have destroyed you all. Then, probably fought to the death (peaceful Bombadil and peaceful Timur or not). Would you have preferred that? We could rewind, if this was a movie.
08 Mar 13 UTC LOL Timur. I hope other people read this too.

Anyway - I was trying to light a fire under your ass in that game. I don't think you understood exactly what I wanted, but I wasn't trying to be mean. I just wanted to sound that way for the moment.

From your EOG it seems that you never did consider working with me going forward. From a startegy point of view there is tons of valid reasons for Russia to work with G OR E in this game, had it continued. E would have been a good ally since he was just trying to survive, and the two of you could have made a dent in Germany - he couldn't defend two sides. While had you worked with Germany, it probably would have ended as you describe, G and R duking it out for the solo. Those are 50/50 odds, give or take, but if you could position to be in a solo or be stalemated position, the risk is way lower and that is what siding with England would have accomplished.

I'd play with you again if you would agree not to hold this game against me :-P

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Germany
Tom Bombadil (4159 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Russia
Timur (774 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
England
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Italy
Yonni (123 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
France
Draugnar (0 D X)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Austria
Cachimbo (1181 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
Turkey
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
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